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Old January 22 2008, 10:39 PM   #31
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Re: USA Today poll: 70% want Shatner back as Kirk

wekkuli said:
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Too old, too fat, too late, no Shat.
I can see that, but actually he looks pretty good for his age (76).
Fat people always look healthier than skinny people when they get old. Fewer wrinkles. But pretty good for 76-year-old Shatner doesn't mean pretty good for Kirk. Old, bloated, red-faced Kirk just doesn't do it for me. It'd be, in turns, funny and sad watching Shatner waddle around trying to be Captain Kirk. I love Shatner and I loved his Kirk... grew up with him, he was my hero... but his time is definitely past.
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Old January 22 2008, 11:26 PM   #32
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Remember the Direct TV insert into Star Trek VI?

"As the saying goes, "Don't shoot your wad all at once""

Mmm....isn't supposed to be,

"Don't eject your warp core?"

-Starfleet Handbook p. 2 Paragraph 8 Line 2

(Before, "Angels protect ships named Enterprise", and after, "Risk is our business", "Weird is part of the job"; and "That's why they pay me the big money".)
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Old January 22 2008, 11:42 PM   #33
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And the rest voted for Ron Paul to be "Kirk".
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Old January 22 2008, 11:45 PM   #34
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The poll's attached to an article about Shatner. Which means if you're reading it and you're part of the general audience, you probably give more than a passing shit about Shatner for whatever reason. Sample bias.
The same could be said for the audience going to see the movie, when it comes out.
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Old January 22 2008, 11:45 PM   #35
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Did anyone check out today's poll in USA Today?

The poll (from a general audience) shows strong support for William Shatner's return as Kirk in ST XI.

So much for giving the people what they want.
People used to troll better around here, you know?
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Old January 22 2008, 11:49 PM   #36
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We're losing the effective trolls

Where are they going?
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Old January 22 2008, 11:49 PM   #37
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Abrams responds, "You and I could come up with dozens of ways, but every way that we came up with felt like it was transparently fan boys trying to get Shatner in the movie."

I could care less whether Shatner is in this or not, but still - Abrams' last sentence sums it up both as clear and as brief as you can get.
Yeah, like old Spock going back in time to team up with young Spock to stop some future Romulans from killing past Kirk is that much better than the work of "fan boys." Don't writers get paid for coming up with stories that do what fans like but in ways that are better than fans could do?
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Old January 22 2008, 11:59 PM   #38
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JBElliott said:Don't writers get paid for coming up with stories that do what fans like but in ways that are better than fans could do?
No, not in the sense that you mean.

They get paid for coming up with stories that it's hoped and that experience tells them the audience will like, not for taking a dictated "wish list" from the audience and incorporating it into their work. There are several words for doing that - "pandering" is one, but none of them are nice.

You may or may not recollect how furious many fans were when it was found out that the guy who had bumped Mr. Star Trek Roddenberry out of the driver's seat was going to kill off Mr. Spock.
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Old January 23 2008, 12:29 AM   #39
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Re: USA Today poll: 70% want Shatner back as Kirk

According the the latest on-line poll, 96% of on-line polls are meaningless.
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Old January 23 2008, 12:32 AM   #40
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^ In other news 50% of folks here Like Pie ! ^

I just checked that a second ago.

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Old January 23 2008, 01:27 AM   #41
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The Stig said:
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I still think Shatner's in this.

The week the trailer premieres, we have an "exchange" between Shat and Abrams about why Kirk can't appear in the film.

Something's up, despite what some folks are saying.


No, it really isn't.

He's not in the movie.
Prove it, friend.

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Old January 23 2008, 02:17 AM   #42
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Delusional.
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Old January 23 2008, 04:00 AM   #43
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"Never give the people what they want"

Are you kidding? For a series that has been teetering on the brink of no longer being relevant for 15 years why would you want to further alienate an already fractured fan base?

If 70% of the general public (mind you that is the stated target audience for this film)would prefer to have Shatner in it as Kirk (remember to vast majority of people only know Star Trek as Kirk + Spock plus some TNG thrown in)why not give them what they want?

I understand what Meyer was saying as far as pandering to an audience and I agree with him, but this is a special case. They are trying to save this commercially dying franchise. I say give the people what they want in this case.
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Old January 23 2008, 04:03 AM   #44
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"remember to vast majority of people only know Star Trek as Kirk + Spock"

Kirk + Spock
Kirk + Spock
Kirk + Spock
Kirk + Spock
Kirk + Spock

Not

Shatner + Spock
Shatner + Spock
Shatner + Spock
Shatner + Spock
Shatner + Spock

Shatner is not in the movie.
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Old January 23 2008, 04:23 AM   #45
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VOODOOXI said:
If 70% of the general public (mind you that is the stated target audience for this film)would prefer to have Shatner in it as Kirk (remember to vast majority of people only know Star Trek as Kirk + Spock plus some TNG thrown in)why not give them what they want?
I think you're giving this little Internet poll WAY too much credibility. It's just a poll that anyone online can vote on, tacked on for fun at the end of an Entertainment article. It's scarcely a reliable indicator of what the "general audience" really wants. For that you would need to use more scientific polling methods, not something as sketchy as this. Hell, I could log on another computer and vote on it again if I were so inclined.

Edited to add: Looks like the poll is at 66% now. Maybe you should change your title?
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