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Old January 19 2008, 01:32 AM   #31
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Re: I don't want Star Trek XI without the Shat

In England?

ETA: I wish they would show the Twilight Zone here.
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Old January 19 2008, 01:34 AM   #32
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It wouldn't be shown 40 YEARS ON without the acting powers of the Shat IMO.


Tha acting powers of shatner? We're not exactly talking about Marlon Brando and THE GODFATHER here.This type of thing has been done before.(ahem, James Bond) Hardly new territorial waters being treaded here.
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Old January 19 2008, 01:36 AM   #33
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1) I hate James Bond. Violence doesn't solve problems, therefore Star Trek
2) He's flawed. But so are we all. That's the joy of humanity. Shatner/Kirk CARED. That counts for a lot.
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Old January 19 2008, 01:43 AM   #34
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1) I hate James Bond. Violence doesn't solve problems, therefore Star Trek
James Bond wasn't going to get away with quoting "prime directive" dogma to people shooting weapons at him.Bond was an agent of the British Secret service.How is he any different than people on an armed away team?And who are you trying to kid? Kirk was the most violent of all the star trek captains.Watch how hard he fights with the Organians to be allowed to wage war with the Klingons,"WE HAVE THE RIGHT!!!", He was hardly Mr.Pacifist.

2) He's flawed. But so are we all. That's the joy of humanity. Shatner/Kirk CARED. That counts for a lot.
Yes he cared a great deal. That's why he bedded every alien on the show.Seriously, what's so different about James Kirk and James Bond?
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Old January 19 2008, 01:46 AM   #35
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Bond was a dick, Kirk wasn't. Bond is British,so am I, my friends and family watch it, but I can't bear his approach to management problems "I'll just spear the leader with my blowpipe or jump out of a platform that's about to suffocate me as it rises to the ceiling"

Come on. Kirk was far more intelligent than that.
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Old January 19 2008, 02:01 AM   #36
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Old Kirk is dead. That's about it. So, no Shatner.
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Old January 19 2008, 02:02 AM   #37
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Really brings back the good ol' days, eh Dennis?
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Old January 19 2008, 02:02 AM   #38
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Bond was a dick, Kirk wasn't. Bond is British,so am I, my friends and family watch it, but I can't bear his approach to management problems "I'll just spear the leader with my blowpipe or jump out of a platform that's about to suffocate me as it rises to the ceiling"

Come on. Kirk was far more intelligent than that.
Did Bond make mistakes? Sure he did. But then again, he didn't have a Vulcan there to mind meld for secrets, nor a doctor to cure him with a salt shaker.He had to get information the way a REAL agent does. And who gives a damn about spearing the leader of a drug pin that is killing innocent people or a crazy leader who is about to blow up the world to create his own race?

"Lets see, Goldfinger who has killed many innocent people is pointing a gun at me. There is no talking to him because I have already destroyed his greedy ambition to make his gold more profitable.He employed a henchman who used his razor hat to snap people's heads.I should try and reason with him and chance getting shot."
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Old January 19 2008, 02:12 AM   #39
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OK. So risk assess Kirk v Goldfinger for me.
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Old January 19 2008, 02:13 AM   #40
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Bond was a Cold War artifact...surely
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Old January 19 2008, 02:17 AM   #41
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Roxana said:
Bond was a dick, Kirk wasn't. Bond is British,so am I, my friends and family watch it, but I can't bear his approach to management problems "I'll just spear the leader with my blowpipe or jump out of a platform that's about to suffocate me as it rises to the ceiling"

Come on. Kirk was far more intelligent than that.
Did Bond make mistakes? Sure he did. But then again, he didn't have a Vulcan there to mind meld for secrets, nor a doctor to cure him with a salt shaker.He had to get information the way a REAL agent does. And who gives a damn about spearing the leader of a drug pin that is killing innocent people or a crazy leader who is about to blow up the world to create his own race?

"Lets see, Goldfinger who has killed many innocent people is pointing a gun at me. There is no talking to him because I have already destroyed his greedy ambition to make his gold more profitable.He employed a henchman who used his razor hat to snap people's heads.I should try and reason with him and chance getting shot."
In fact, do you understand at all why us Brits did the James Bond films? It was an abortive attempt to enter the Cold War, driven by some chap's mad ramblings, which didn't mean anything. James Bond's antics were sexist, racist and ultimately non-productive. His vision didnt align with TOS at all. It was just the Brits trying to get in on the action.
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Old January 19 2008, 02:24 AM   #42
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James Bond was based in part on Cary Grant.
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Old January 19 2008, 02:57 AM   #43
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Guys....here's the thing. While it may be absolutely effortlessly easy for you to let go of William Shatner as James T. Kirk, it's just plain difficult for some of us. I wish there was a switch that I could turn off. I really do. But unlike James Bond or Batman/Superman, this character was played by a single actor for over 40 years. Some of us (not me) literally grew up with the character. Seriously! Shatner's Kirk aged. And if you didn't grow up with him, you saw him grow up. When the name Kirk pops up in our head, Bill Shatner's image does as well.

So please, with sugar on top, pardon fucking us! At least the ones like me that are trying.
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Old January 19 2008, 03:03 AM   #44
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James Bond was based in part on Cary Grant.
I always thought he was based specifically on Cary Grant in North by Northwest, which feels very much like a prototypical Bond film. Is that just an inkling of mine or does it have basis in fact?
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Old January 19 2008, 03:42 AM   #45
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Roxana said:
Bond was a dick, Kirk wasn't. Bond is British,so am I, my friends and family watch it, but I can't bear his approach to management problems "I'll just spear the leader with my blowpipe or jump out of a platform that's about to suffocate me as it rises to the ceiling"

Come on. Kirk was far more intelligent than that.
Did Bond make mistakes? Sure he did. But then again, he didn't have a Vulcan there to mind meld for secrets, nor a doctor to cure him with a salt shaker.He had to get information the way a REAL agent does. And who gives a damn about spearing the leader of a drug pin that is killing innocent people or a crazy leader who is about to blow up the world to create his own race?

"Lets see, Goldfinger who has killed many innocent people is pointing a gun at me. There is no talking to him because I have already destroyed his greedy ambition to make his gold more profitable.He employed a henchman who used his razor hat to snap people's heads.I should try and reason with him and chance getting shot."
In fact, do you understand at all why us Brits did the James Bond films? It was an abortive attempt to enter the Cold War, driven by some chap's mad ramblings, which didn't mean anything. James Bond's antics were sexist, racist and ultimately non-productive. His vision didnt align with TOS at all. It was just the Brits trying to get in on the action.
Okay, this is starting to look less like a Trek 11 thread on Hambone oops I mean Shatner and more about why you hate James Bond.I will leave it with this: When Trek reaches 21 movies with the same level of success as James Bond, give me a call.

I brought James Bond up because it's a great example of how a franchise can live long and prosper without the guy who originated a title role.Far as which is better, I like both. I don't watch movies or T.V to learn some philosophy to live my life by because to me it's all fiction.Nothing more.
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