By Any Other Name - That CRUSHING Scene (Subtle Progress)

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  1. Joel_Kirk

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    Indeed, that scene with Yeoman Julie Cobb (I forget her name) and the security guard portrayed by a black performer. Given that it is an American show and how race works in America....one might think that 'Oh, good grief....the black guy is going to get!"

    However, we get a little surprise. Kirk is upset that the cute yeoman has been 'sacrificed' and the security guard is the one who lives.

    For me, I've always disliked the idea (perpetuated mostly by fans) that Star Trek is progressive. Especially, since 'progress' means different things to different people depending on one's experiences,including race, gender, sexual orientation....etc. Albeit, 'progress' is usually measured and viewed within racial lines.

    If Star Trek is 'progressive' it usually is when it's subtle, not in your face, such as: 'LOOK FOLKS, WE HAVE ONE BLACK PERSON IN A SEA OF WHITE PERFORMERS! WE ARE A PROGRESSIVE SHOW!" Or, "LOOK FOLKS! WE HAVE A BLACK CAPTAIN ON A SHIP THAT IS GOING TO BE DESTROYED! PROGRESS! YES, HE'S" - and it's usually a 'he' - "IS GOING TO DIE, BUT HE DIES WITH HONOR! PROGRESS!" (Note: This is thinking that has spilled into other spin-offs during the Berman era. Of course, when we have an episode like 'Code of Honor' with a cast of mainly black performers - despite whatever when on behind the scenes - we have fans who are majority 'white' cry "RACISM! RACISM!")

    Thankfully, in the age of the internet (as well as people overall becoming more aware of racial disparities and roles, basically put in place by American society) we can have another look at many of these images from past and present film and television and re-evaluate them.

    In regards to that scene from 'By Any Other Name,' I want to say that Warren Stevens' alien possibly was making a statement. Maybe, like many aliens in the original, saw Earth as a place that still needed to grow up. For example, the writers would have Archer from "Enterprise" say 'we' - 'we' meaning Earthers - 'have put aside our differences.' (Well, I didn't see that reflected in the crew, nor reflected when the blue Andorian Shran would call humans 'pinkskins' basically ignoring those with dark or 'chocolate' skins. Now, if they put Shran under a pointed hood that probably would have made more sense :lol:).

    Interestingly, in the TNG episode 'Where the Silence Has Lease' the sacrifice to an alien 'testing humanity' IS an Enterprise crewmember....and that crewmember IS a black man. (It's almost as if the writers wanted to rectify their mistake in 'By Any Other Name':devil:).

    Too, I posted many months ago how black people actually seem to do pretty well in red, given that 'red' is supposed to be a curse in the Star Trek franchise. We have the guard from 'By Any Other Name'...Uhura...as well as Sisko. The one unamed crewman from 'Where Silence Has Lease' is an anomaly.;)

    Like the guard in 'By Any Other Name' that's a bit of subtle progress, i.e. it wasn't intended, and probably went over the head of the writers and directors.

    Anywho, I'll probably add a bit more, but I found that little tidbit from this episode pretty powerful. Especially, when I - a black man working to get into film and television and someday have his own production company - look back at these images, especially given the current events in regards to 'race.'

    (Quick Sidenote: I've seen some subtle 'progressive' scenes with Uhura, a black woman, being sexy and tough in 'Mirror, Mirror.' As well as Sulu, an Asian man, being tough and having a sex drive in the same episode).
     
  2. Melakon

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    You don't think Kirk would have been upset if Shea (Carl Byrd) had been the one crushed? The real shock for me when I first saw the episode in the 60s was it was the onscreen "death" of a woman instead of a man on the series. Race didn't enter my mind at all.
     
  3. Maurice

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    re "Code of Honor": if the all black planet were the one in "Justice" and if "Code of Honor" was the planet of the blondes then I doubt you'd see as many of these complaints. "Code" is just awash with Hollywood tropes about "savages" and when you cast that with a minority you can't be surprised that people will wince.
     
  4. ZapBrannigan

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    From what I've seen of interviews and so forth, "Code of Honor" is reviled by the TNG cast as their worst episode. They consider it an embarrassment.

    The crushing scene in "By Any Other Name" is, in a sense, the most violent and explicit death in Star Trek. I find it very disturbing.
     
  5. Mark 2000

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    I understand what Joel is saying about the fact that this is the only Star Trek episode ever where there's a majority black cast and people are finding reason to complain. It's really not that bad an episode in S1 terms. The E crew examining all the possible weapons to figure out a solution for each was clever. When Tasha jumps on Yareena to save her that was a great lady helping out a fellow lady moment. It's not even a problem that the Ligonians were "savages". Trek has had plenty of white savage planets. The only real problems are Lutan's cartoonish acting and the costumes that all look like Punjab from Little Orphan Annie. And that's almost a kind of self sabotage. It allows white folks to cry foul about a majority black show by wrapping it up in one or two details. And then the producers say "We better not have anymore black planets. It's just too touchy!" And they never did.

    As for Any Other Name, I did really hope it wasn't the black guy and was surprised when it wasn't. But killing a woman is another motivational trope so really that scene is a no-win.
     
  6. BillJ

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    Sulu gets his props in "Arena":

    He was also left in command of the Enterprise during a state of war in "Errand of Mercy".

    Uhura gets some props as well from Spock in "Who Mourns for Adonais":

    I would definitely liked to have seen more of these nods and moments from Uhura and Sulu in TOS. I do tend to think the Abrams films have brought the characters a bit more to the foreground than they had been. Which is a good thing.*

    * - I'm not trying to turn this into a thread about the Abrams movies. Just noting that the current Powers That Be recognize that those characters have something to offer.
     
  7. CrazyMatt

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    Ditto (although I saw it for the first time in the early 70's).

    I also remember the music sending a chill up my spine.
     
  8. CrazyMatt

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    Sorry, it was a bad episode for ANY season... of ANY Trek!
     
  9. Mark 2000

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    That's just silly.
     
  10. Orphalesion

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    I fail to see how the death of a female human would be more tragic than the death of a male human white, black or purple.

    And I'm with Joel here, Kirk seldom showed any care for the death of his crew or others, unless they were a) his personal friends b) people he was attracted to or c) both (Spock)
     
  11. Melakon

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    I didn't say more tragic, I said shocking. Note that I said I first saw the episode in the 1960s, I was 17 when it aired. Star Trek had killed plenty of men onscreen at that point, but rarely a woman, unless we count Edith Keeler and the woman in "The Deadly Years", and Nona in "A Private Little War". It was rarely seen in the 60s, though it happens all the time now. What intensifies it in "By Any Other Name" is Rojan "kills" her with his bare hands. It was a brutal onscreen murder for its time. If you weren't around in the 1960s, it's difficult to explain the nature of television then.

    Kirk mourned over redshirts killed in "The Apple".
     
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    The death of women on TV in the line of duty, in a military or paramilitary context, in the US of the 1960s, 1970s, and even later, especially women on "our side," was colored by the same cultural mores that affect how we, in real life, view putting women into combat, having women register for Selective Service, etc. It's something that our culture collectively finds even less desirable than putting men in harm's way.

    I agree that the scene in "By Any Other Name" totally played against expectations and went for maximum shock value. It's a shame that the episode had to end without further reference to that crime.
     
  13. Orphalesion

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    Ah I see so you meant it was unexpected because it had not happened before. Sorry for misunderstanding you.
     
  14. Melakon

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    No problem. I'm just a cranky old fart.
     
  15. BillJ

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    I think the original Star Trek was far darker than many folks now give it credit for.
     
  16. Melakon

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    Only switched from our perspective. What fools the eye is Hanar picks up the blocks from behind (which is a bit odd since it's more steps to take), and the yeoman is in his left hand. When he gives them to Rojan, she winds up in Rojan's right hand. Production crew was definitely careful about what they were doing.
     
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  17. Marsden

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    Thank goodness he didn't undo the process after crushing the yeoman. :barf:


    But other than what Melekon said, I really don't see any point to mentioning it.

    This was also one of the few episodes that was written by someone that attention to what had already happened on the show, as they mentioned events from at least two other episodes. And just to clarify, I mean they had watched previous episodes or at least read previous scripts. Callbacks to previous episodes were rare and two in one episode is unique, iirc.

    There was a thread about callbacks a while ago. While there were more than just a few there weren't too many.
     
  18. Kobayshi Maru

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    To tell you the truth, I was more impacted by what Spock said of these aliens, IE that they were giants with one hundred limbs and that each limb could perform a different task. Each of them was like a one "man" factory, so to speak. For some reason, I remembered that part more vividly than the rest.


    The Avengers was from the same period and they had a strict rule about never killing a woman. They killed many many men but never a single woman. Women on the other hand, could be tortured (but not disfigured), bound, hit, especially by other women, but never ever killed.
     
  19. CorporalCaptain

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    She wasn't killed.

    http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/8.htm
     
  20. Kobayshi Maru

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    They had the power to do so.