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Old August 28 2014, 09:07 PM   #16
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The Honor books are a bit of a strange animal. It has some pretty interesting world building but the allegory is so thick I wouldn't be at all surprised if the 19th Century turned up and sued the author for plagiarism.

So far the comic books seem to be doing a good job of showing an abridged version of the first novel without really missing anything significant...which really just shows how much waffle and padding are in the novels.

The framing device is a nice touch as it give new readers a sense that this will actually lead somewhere and also introduce an element of mystery.

Not wild about how they chose to represent either Honor or Nimitz. Unfortunately they seem to have given in to the temptation to make here conventionally attractive, where in the books she's described as more "handsome" than "pretty". Hell I think they even mention it in dialogue, but it's just not supported by the artwork. Admittedly my mental image of her is a little skewed as I was in the midst of reading the novels when I first played Mass Effect and decided to model my first Shepard after an approximation of what I thought she might look like.

As for Nimitz...well....why exactly is he bald in this? Being furry is sort of one of his defining physical characteristics. What they've done looks like a cross between an shaved rabbit and a preying mantis.

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Old August 29 2014, 01:17 AM   #17
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Not wild about how they chose to represent either Honor or Nimitz. Unfortunately they seem to have given in to the temptation to make here conventionally attractive, where in the books she's described as more "handsome" than "pretty".
She's described that way from Honor's POV. Not from other characters'. She's definitely shown to have a self-image problem in the books.
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Old August 29 2014, 01:32 AM   #18
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^ She never struck me as the type to suffer from self delusion. Quite the opposite. I read her assessment of her own looks as a pragmatic, almost clinical one, not the result of self-image hang ups. As for what others thought, I felt it was pretty clear her charisma and confidence was what attracted most people to her, not her physical attributes.

I'm not saying I think she should be ugly by any means, just not quite so "pretty". She's a Queen's Officer after all, not a movie star.
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Old August 29 2014, 03:33 AM   #19
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I definitely pictures Nimitz as much cuter than the freaky gargoyle in the comic.
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Old September 1 2014, 08:47 PM   #20
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Never got into the Honor Harrington books. Was always more into the Seafort Saga books. For those that have read both, how do they compare?
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Old September 1 2014, 09:21 PM   #21
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Never got into the Honor Harrington books. Was always more into the Seafort Saga books. For those that have read both, how do they compare?

For myself, I prefer the Honor series though mileage will obviously vary. I've read all of those. One of these days though, I'll have to revisit and finish the Seafort series as I only got up to Fisherman's Hope which I got when it first came out.

One of the reasons I prefer the Honorverse series is that it is a little more upbeat than Seafort. Seafort always seemed too intent on punishing himself (rightly or wrongly).

However, late books in the Honorverse series do get rather dense and "expositiony" which puts some people off. So far though, when the new one comes out, it usually goes on the next to read pile.
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Old September 1 2014, 09:24 PM   #22
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^Cool. Thanks for the 411.
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Old September 2 2014, 01:07 AM   #23
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However, late books in the Honorverse series do get rather dense and "expositiony" which puts some people off. So far though, when the new one comes out, it usually goes on the next to read pile.
Part of that's the unfortunate(?) progress of characters up the power ladder. The two "spinoff" series, by focusing on people at the point of the sword once again, feel closer to the pace and scale of the earlier books.
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Old September 2 2014, 05:29 AM   #24
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I can't imagine how they would get past the first three books. For anyone interested, I'd say that the books are indeed a chore to read, but if you can get past the goofiness of it all, those three are great classic space opera. The characterization is just corny beyond belief, and I don't like the real world interfering in SF books too much. I will say that, in their defense, the hard science is definitely there and you have to pay attention in order to understand the battles. The space battles are indeed good, but nothing ever comes close to the first book's battle with the "Q ship." I actually prefer his books in the Bolo series to his own Honorverse.

basically I'd like David Weber more if he had better editing.
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Old September 2 2014, 12:54 PM   #25
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basically I'd like David Weber more if he had better editing.
This. I wonder if it's coincidental that his books started to get thicker and wordier when Jim Baen passed away.

BTW, if you like the Harrington books, you'll also like David Drake's Lt. Leary series. Probably even better, since Drake knows how to write lean. It's essentially the same concept - Horatio Hornblower in space. Lots of good characters, an occasional ripping space battle. Drake likes to base his plots on real historical events, too. There are 10 books in the series so far.
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Old September 2 2014, 01:58 PM   #26
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This. I wonder if it's coincidental that his books started to get thicker and wordier when Jim Baen passed away.
They were doing that beforehand - I consider War of Honor to be the tipping point there.

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BTW, if you like the Harrington books, you'll also like David Drake's Lt. Leary series.
Well, maybe. I never could get more than a few chapters into the first book, myself.
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Old September 2 2014, 04:38 PM   #27
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This. I wonder if it's coincidental that his books started to get thicker and wordier when Jim Baen passed away.

BTW, if you like the Harrington books, you'll also like David Drake's Lt. Leary series. Probably even better, since Drake knows how to write lean. It's essentially the same concept - Horatio Hornblower in space. Lots of good characters, an occasional ripping space battle. Drake likes to base his plots on real historical events, too. There are 10 books in the series so far.
I've read the first one, but do have the rest (in a very long list) to read at some point.
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Old September 4 2014, 03:32 AM   #28
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Not wild about how they chose to represent either Honor or Nimitz. Unfortunately they seem to have given in to the temptation to make here conventionally attractive, where in the books she's described as more "handsome" than "pretty".
She's described that way from Honor's POV. Not from other characters'. She's definitely shown to have a self-image problem in the books.
At least she is not a Michael Jackson descendant again.

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Old September 4 2014, 12:49 PM   #29
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Most disturbing cover of the series.
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Old September 4 2014, 03:08 PM   #30
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basically I'd like David Weber more if he had better editing.
This. I wonder if it's coincidental that his books started to get thicker and wordier when Jim Baen passed away.
Yes.

Weber was a guest at OSFest a few years ago, and I had the chance to talk with him at the staff dinner before the con. What he said was that he had injured his hand, and was unable to type. Someone (I forget who) suggested he get software called Dragon Speak. It was a little awkward for a day or two, and then he found out he loved using it.

He speaks, and the computer does the typing for him. Suddenly, he is no longer restricted, and he's able to talk and talk and talk until he feels like shutting up. (his words!)

In person, Weber is an absolutely charming fellow, nicest guy you could imagine.

His books, though .. bleh. I read the first one, knowing that he was going to be one of our guests, and it was a painful chore. He spends two chapters describing a nut and a bolt. I don't care. The cat was cool, but I don't care how the machines work, just tell me about the characters. From the descriptions he gave in one of his panels, it only got worse when he was no longer limited to having to type himself.

Again, nice guy, but the books ... just not for me.

Hearing that the comics strip out all of that fluff, and get down to the real story, makes me think I might want to pick them up instead.
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