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Old September 1 2014, 12:26 AM   #466
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

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James Cameron also made Piranha 2: The Awakening before becoming...James Fucking Cameron.
Confused Matthew seems to want to ignore the possibility that under the right tutelage, freedom or access to resources that one could grow in their craft. That one could go from Razzie to Respectable. Incredulous Douchebag.
Heck, Sandra Bullock won a Razzie and an Oscar in the same year - winning a Razzie really doesn't mean anything.
By that logic then nether does winning an Oscar....which I suppose is true enough given how those awards are chosen and who gets to vote on them.

Mind you, unlike the Oscars, I like to think that actually turning up and accepting a Razzie *does* indeed mean something. Halle Berry has my eternal respect for that acceptance speech.
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Old September 2 2014, 08:14 PM   #467
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

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ok...
yes, he's kind of a troll and a douche, with no real style. I'll grant you that. but no one has actually talked about the points he made about Marvel. I find that most telling...
I watched about 15 minutes of the video and shut it off after his screaming and ranting got to be too much. If you think he had some good points, then make them yourself here and we'll discuss them.
I find that since FSM hasn't specified the "points" he thinks that Confused Matthew made that are worth discussion and merit to be....most telling.
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Old September 2 2014, 08:57 PM   #468
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

I've been away for some time.. family was visiting for the holiday. Hopefully tonight I will get to outlining those points... natch!
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Old September 2 2014, 09:27 PM   #469
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

His take on Gunn is outright dumb. Gunn's previous movies, Slither and Super, were cult favourites. The "two Razzies" that he repeatedly harps on were group awards for his contribution to Movie 43, which sucked, no question, but there were tons of talented people involved in that.

Many of his comments are predicated on the idea that the movies aren't good on their own (and hence, that the shared universe is masking it), which is inherently subjective, so it's kind of pointless to argue over it (whereas I think most people would say the movies are good on their own, and the shared universe increases their enjoyment).

In one area I'll say he has at least a defensible position, namely, that he thinks Marvel Studios has screwed over some people who work with them, and I don't think you can really deny that they play hardball in terms of getting all their ducks in a row. Some of that is unpleasant. But I think that's ultimately always part of the movie business, when it's Marvel's hundreds of millions of dollars on the line. Some people will adapt well to the more producer-oriented Marvel process, some won't. And I agree that Iron Man 2's creative process was disjointed, and resulted in the studio's most lacklustre product, but they've gotten far more skilled at it since then.

He also has a spurious little mini-rant suggesting that the current serialization trend is some kind of backwards step to a sort of movie that became irrelevant when TV was invented, which is not true. It's certainly true that TV is the best visual medium for serialization of this sort, but TV does not have the budget to make these kinds of stories. Indeed, big budget action is arguably the one thing that movies unquestionably still have over HBO and the like (take a look at Game of Thrones' "Blackwater", which pushed TV budgeting to the limit, and was a great episode, but any modestly-budgeted film could do better purely in terms of spectacle).
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