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Old August 26 2014, 07:40 AM   #76
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If NBC hadn't picked up Star Trek as a series, you can bet that Desilu would have used the pilot episode in some fashion, either theatrically (Roddenberry made initial overtures to Hunter about expanding the pilot to feature length, but was rebuffed, and all of the principals had theatrical residuals built into their contracts) or as a movie-of-the-week or a segment of an anthology series.
From this can I assume that Hunter's agent turned down offer detailed in the June 17, 1965 Perlstein memo where they offered to release him from any Trek obligations with a few stipulations, including being available to shoot additional scenes for a feature film version?
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Old August 26 2014, 08:07 AM   #77
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If NBC hadn't picked up Star Trek as a series, you can bet that Desilu would have used the pilot episode in some fashion, either theatrically (Roddenberry made initial overtures to Hunter about expanding the pilot to feature length, but was rebuffed, and all of the principals had theatrical residuals built into their contracts) or as a movie-of-the-week or a segment of an anthology series.
From this can I assume that Hunter's agent turned down offer detailed in the June 17, 1965 Perlstein memo where they offered to release him from any Trek obligations with a few stipulations, including being available to shoot additional scenes for a feature film version?
You know, I had forgotten about that document. Thanks for reminding me of it.

In my initial post, I was mainly thinking of Roddenberry's letter to Hunter dated April 5, 1965. Re-reading the June 17, 1965 memo now, I think I was mistaken when I wrote that Hunter rebuffed Roddenberry's overtures. The reverse seems more likely to be true.

All we know is what's contained in those two documents: that Roddenberry suggested the option of expanding "The Menagerie" into a theatrical feature in a personal note to Hunter in April, and that the option of shooting new footage for a theatrical version was proposed to Hunter (and his agent) as part of an offer to get him out of the remainder of his contract in June.

There's no confirmation that Hunter accepted the agreement, I'm afraid, but I think it's likely that he did. A commitment to film a few new scenes for a theatrical version would have been a short-term one and would have resulted in Hunter appearing in a starring role in a theatrical film.

Ultimately, of course, the second pilot was made and Star Trek was ordered to series by NBC on the basis of it, so the theatrical option never materialized.
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Old August 26 2014, 08:29 AM   #78
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Me, too. But the art started getting sloppy at the end (they already knew the title was cancelled). I also didn't care for the time traveling story sending Yeoman Colt to the movie era--way too fannish.
Meh. They were comics. Kind of what you get into when consuming that type of media.
Some damn fine stories have been done in comics and some of it has been adapted into other media such as film.
The Men In Black is a good example.
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Old August 26 2014, 12:47 PM   #79
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Road To Perdition is another one that occurs to me.

I have quite enjoyed some comic titles in terms of story, writing and art. I think its a perfectly viable medium for telling solid stories for Star Trek or something like it. Unfortunately I think the time of comics as we know them is waning. They no longer offer bang-for-the-buck value and its been that way for years, with the exception of graphic novels and trade collections. I, for one, see more value (over monthly titles) in straight-to-video animated features. Its simply a more immersive, more immediate and dynamic experience than static images on a few pages no matter how nice the art.

Now that said it's possible the comic medium could find new life online as opposed to the (relatively) costly monthly print version on a mere twenty-two pages.
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Old August 26 2014, 12:55 PM   #80
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It's amazing how much one can expand on a single episode.
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Old August 26 2014, 07:03 PM   #81
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Is it wrong that the more I think about it the more I like the Cage bridge, uniform and ship designs more than the TOS ones?
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Old August 26 2014, 07:21 PM   #82
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Is it wrong that the more I think about it the more I like the Cage bridge, uniform and ship designs more than the TOS ones?
No. I, too, like "The Cage" bridge although I think it could use a dash more colour even if not as colourful as the TOS version.

In a way the original version was revisited in an overall sense in TMP.
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Old August 26 2014, 07:29 PM   #83
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If NBC hadn't picked up Star Trek as a series, you can bet that Desilu would have used the pilot episode in some fashion, either theatrically (Roddenberry made initial overtures to Hunter about expanding the pilot to feature length, but was rebuffed, and all of the principals had theatrical residuals built into their contracts) or as a movie-of-the-week or a segment of an anthology series.
From this can I assume that Hunter's agent turned down offer detailed in the June 17, 1965 Perlstein memo where they offered to release him from any Trek obligations with a few stipulations, including being available to shoot additional scenes for a feature film version?
You know, I had forgotten about that document. Thanks for reminding me of it.

In my initial post, I was mainly thinking of Roddenberry's letter to Hunter dated April 5, 1965. Re-reading the June 17, 1965 memo now, I think I was mistaken when I wrote that Hunter rebuffed Roddenberry's overtures. The reverse seems more likely to be true.

All we know is what's contained in those two documents: that Roddenberry suggested the option of expanding "The Menagerie" into a theatrical feature in a personal note to Hunter in April, and that the option of shooting new footage for a theatrical version was proposed to Hunter (and his agent) as part of an offer to get him out of the remainder of his contract in June.

There's no confirmation that Hunter accepted the agreement, I'm afraid, but I think it's likely that he did. A commitment to film a few new scenes for a theatrical version would have been a short-term one and would have resulted in Hunter appearing in a starring role in a theatrical film.

Ultimately, of course, the second pilot was made and Star Trek was ordered to series by NBC on the basis of it, so the theatrical option never materialized.
I do not recall which book I read it in, if it was "I Am Spock" or "Star Trek Memories," but I believe that Hunter, after a suggestion by his wife, asked for more money to continue with the show, regardless of the form. Now, I might be misremembering this information, so please take it with some salt.
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Old August 26 2014, 07:45 PM   #84
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I love "The Cage". Makes me wish the studio had taken a chance on Trek in that format.

I have always preferred Pike to Kirk, his more subtle manner and moments of reflection and doubt made him a far more likeable character.

I love Number One. A strong and profession woman, though with a hint of femininity and vulnerability she keeps concealed.

Boyce always struck me as an adventurer, someone who wasn't caring for rank or accolades, but just wanted to go out into space and see what was there.

Spock (seeing how his character evolved in the series and movies) always just seems a little weird, with his smiling and outbursts.

Tyler was a little under-defined so could've gone on to do all manner of things. He did seem eager and adventurous though, obviously a little in awe of Pike.

At first appearance Colt seems to be the sweet-hearted girl, a rookie who doesn't know what she's doing, but she has a moment or two of feistiness.

When I learned of the Early Voyages comics, I had to track them down so I could enjoy more of their adventures.
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Old August 26 2014, 08:00 PM   #85
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Spock's look of panic in the cage is unique.
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Old August 26 2014, 08:42 PM   #86
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I love "The Cage". Makes me wish the studio had taken a chance on Trek in that format.

I have always preferred Pike to Kirk, his more subtle manner and moments of reflection and doubt made him a far more likeable character.

I love Number One. A strong and profession woman, though with a hint of femininity and vulnerability she keeps concealed.

Boyce always struck me as an adventurer, someone who wasn't caring for rank or accolades, but just wanted to go out into space and see what was there.

Spock (seeing how his character evolved in the series and movies) always just seems a little weird, with his smiling and outbursts.

Tyler was a little under-defined so could've gone on to do all manner of things. He did seem eager and adventurous though, obviously a little in awe of Pike.

At first appearance Colt seems to be the sweet-hearted girl, a rookie who doesn't know what she's doing, but she has a moment or two of feistiness.

When I learned of the Early Voyages comics, I had to track them down so I could enjoy more of their adventures.
There are mere hints of possibilities in all of the characters, but nothing really defined. But that can be part of the appeal because they're all open to all kinds of interpretations. They're not weighted by what we're already familiar with. As such there is still a freshness and novelty to Pike, his crew and that era.

I would hardly call Pike more likeable than Kirk because we don't really know Pike or how he would have evolved while we definitely know Kirk. And I definitely find Kirk a likeable fellow.
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Old August 26 2014, 08:53 PM   #87
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Majel was in competition with the other one to become Pike's mate. I think the alien said something to that effect.
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Old August 26 2014, 09:53 PM   #88
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I do not recall which book I read it in, if it was "I Am Spock" or "Star Trek Memories," but I believe that Hunter, after a suggestion by his wife, asked for more money to continue with the show, regardless of the form. Now, I might be misremembering this information, so please take it with some salt.
HERB: We had an option on Jeff Hunter for a series, but not for another pilot... the lights came up, Jeff Hunter's wife [actress Sandy Bartlett] gave us our answer: "This is not the kind of show Jeff wants to do, and besides, it wouldn't be good for his career. Jeff Hunter is a movie star."

--Inside Star Trek (hardcover), p. 63
I don't speak to the accuracy of this, but I'd take Solow's word over any of the actors, since they had no reason to know the details.
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Old August 26 2014, 10:17 PM   #89
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Majel was in competition with the other one to become Pike's mate. I think the alien said something to that effect.
It was hardly a competition. The Talosian Keeper was trying to create a situation and no one was biting. It doesn't matter that Number One or Colt might have had any feelings towards Pike in any measure because they were feelings they were highly unlikely to act on.
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I would hardly call Pike more likeable than Kirk because we don't really know Pike or how he would have evolved while we definitely know Kirk. And I definitely find Kirk a likeable fellow.
Even if you limit the comparison to the pilots, Kirk still wins the appeal contest over Pike. Some might defend Pike by noting he was dealing with a recent loss, only to be kidnapped / threatened, but Kirk struggled throughout his pilot with unenviable task of watching his best friend transform into a threat he's being coaxed into killing. Even after the tragedy, he manages to exhibit the kind of character that made audiences want to know more about him, & share his journey.
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