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Old August 24 2014, 04:47 AM   #46
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Re: If DS9 was produced today

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I would love to see how today's more advanced CGI would handle Odo's transformations.
I am sure they could improve a lot on that one. Make you go: "Wow!"
It was always pretty well done, tbh. But they could definitely add a little "pop".

The space battle scenes would be terrific too, well that is if DS9 was being produced with HBO-level money.
What was well done is that part of Odo's transformation was always off camera, but in such a skillful manner that we barely noticed it. Thanks to today's special effects, it could be done entirely on camera. If you look closely you'll note that the perspective keeps shifting and that we see some of it through the eyes of the beholders so to speak.
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Old August 24 2014, 04:56 AM   #47
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And Bear McCreary doing the music for the show...
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Old August 24 2014, 05:01 AM   #48
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And Bear McCreary doing the music for the show...
That would be the icing on the cake.
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Old August 26 2014, 03:03 PM   #49
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Re: If DS9 was produced today

Good God this is wrong on so many levels.

Who does the world seek out for help when there's:
Famine
Flood
Disease
Earthquakes

the United States...

Who has Europe called for help when the forces of Totalitarianism threatened?

You know the answer.

Ppl bitching about the US should look at our history and how good we have been to the world in the past 200+ years.
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Old August 26 2014, 03:12 PM   #50
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Good God this is wrong on so many levels.

Who does the world seek out for help when there's:
Famine
Flood
Disease
Earthquakes

the United States...

Who has Europe called for help when the forces of Totalitarianism threatened?

You know the answer.

Ppl bitching about the US should look at our history and how good we have been to the world in the past 200+ years.
Most US interventions are where there is oil or other valuable resources to be had. They couldn't care less about the rest of the world. You'd have to be blind not to see it. They manipulate the powers in place. They skew the nascent democracies, so that the people "elected" are the ones in favor of more US involvement. And the worst part is that the US doesn't even do that for the good of their constituency. It does it for the benefit of a small minority of capitalist that get dollars of free governmental intervention for every penny that they need preserved. Your government is even screwing its own citizens, what does that say about the rest of the world?
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Old August 26 2014, 10:07 PM   #51
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Re: If DS9 was produced today

Those people truly insulated from the impact and influence of America don't usually have the luxury of casually sharing their anti-American sentiments on a Star Trek forum.

I could go on for days about the flaws of my country (U.S.) and I find much of it very disheartening, but for a long while now it has been the only thing between all of us and a global dystopia. All you need to do is look at who our enemies are and the way they regard human life.

But if anything should ever compromise America's ability to stave off these forces, I wont be able to say I told you so because there wont be a single history book in existence to help people remember what it meant to be free.

"We've always been at war with Eastasia!"
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Old August 26 2014, 10:22 PM   #52
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I could go on for days about the flaws of my country (U.S.) and I find much of it very disheartening, but for a long while now it has been the only thing between all of us and a global dystopia.
No.

America has good to go with the bad and vice versa, and the world is far better off with it as a constructive participant than as a rogue state -- the contrast between its image under Obama as opposed his predecessor shows that clearly -- but this kind of rhetoric was old while the Cold War was still going on and it isn't getting any fresher. Depending on who's wielding its power and influence and how they choose to do so, America is just as capable of impelling "global dystopia" as opposing it, and always has been. Time to be grown-ups about it.
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Old August 27 2014, 09:43 AM   #53
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My opinion on this is as firm as any I hold, but I doubt anyone wants to see this thread turn into an ongoing political debate. There are many, many things running through my mind in the way or retort (which is why I avoid politics) but a Star Trek forum doesn't seem the place for it.

I mostly come here to laugh at Guy Gardener's posts.
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Old August 28 2014, 11:27 PM   #54
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Fair enough.
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Old September 25 2014, 07:25 PM   #55
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WOW! I did that video! I'm glad you liked it dub!
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Old September 26 2014, 12:35 PM   #56
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Good God this is wrong on so many levels.

Who does the world seek out for help when there's:
Famine
Flood
Disease
Earthquakes

the United States...

Who has Europe called for help when the forces of Totalitarianism threatened?

You know the answer.

Ppl bitching about the US should look at our history and how good we have been to the world in the past 200+ years.
...or Canada...at least they did until our most recent government decided to take a crap all over our reputation as peace keepers and aid givers.

On Topic:

As an actor myself, I feel physical sets are a must have to some degree. If 75% of the original DS9 sets were ever reconstructed, then I don't think using CGI to fill in or extend those sets would be a huge problem. It was used to great effect in Battlestar Galactica.
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Old September 28 2014, 04:50 AM   #57
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IMO, the one thing that marks a terrorist is the willingness to disrupt public life with violence. Only if Kira had said that she bombed a market place might I call her a terrorist. The institutions and residences of the occupying powers are otherwise fair game for a member of a resistance movement.
I can't recall the episode, but isn't there a moment somewhere in DS9 where they have this debate, and Kira's old buddies decided that the collateral damage (even of innocent civilian lives) was worthy because the Cause was just? That's terrorism IMO. That's where the line is crossed.

Kira is a terrorist. Or *was* a terrorist. But as others have said, it's different morals, one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. Heck, even Islamic State, as abhorrent as their behaviour is, have a fundemantal belief that what they do is correct for their Cause. I'm not saying that *I* agree with their Cause, but it's certainly how *they* feel about it, they wouldn't consider themselves to be terrorists. And I think Kira probably believed that of her Cause as well, albeit perhaps with more optimism about the outcomes than her more pesimisstic former 'freedom fighting' comrades.

During the American revolution I have no doubt that the British Empire saw the colonists in terms of being terrorists. During the American Civil War, the secessionists were likewise seen by the Union as being something to be brought down with force. Essentially, if 'terrorism' had been a buzz-word back then, it probably would've been thrown around all the time to describe one side of combatants or another in those conflicts. But we don't tend to look back on history that way.....
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Old September 28 2014, 11:50 AM   #58
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One problem is, what else could the Bajorans do? The Federation wasn't going to help them, and the Cardassians weren't just going to go away and stop doing horrible things to them.

But I think the big difference in whether Kira could be called a terrorist or freedom fighter was in whether Bajor was forcibly colonized or did they agree to become part of the Cardassian Union.
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Old September 28 2014, 01:59 PM   #59
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WOW! I did that video! I'm glad you liked it dub!
Well, it is a nicely done video. Given the lighting, lack of NPCs and funky camera angles, is it done on the Foundry? Or using demorecord?
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Old September 28 2014, 04:46 PM   #60
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I think the big difference in whether Kira could be called a terrorist or freedom fighter was in whether Bajor was forcibly colonized or did they agree to become part of the Cardassian Union.
We know very little, but "Emissary" suggests that the Cardassians originally moved into Bajor under the pretext of friendship.

Source:

KIRA: I have been fighting for Bajoran independence since I was old enough to pick up a phaser. We finally drive the Cardassians out and what do our new leaders do? They call up the Federation and invite them right in!
SISKO: The Federation is only here to help...
KIRA: ... help us. Yes, I know. The Cardassians said the same thing sixty years ago.
So we might infer from that there was at least some kind of mutual bond in the beginning, maybe even a treaty and as you suggest Bajor gaining membership of the union under the pretext of the Cardassians providing some kind of benign aid, before eventually the Cardassians true nature was finally outed, they declared martial law, and the Bajorians realized they'd been used.

I still think a terrorist, whatever the ultimate purity of their motives, can only be judged on their actions. Killing civilians would be a line being crossed IMO, and I would suggest that there's definite evidence that Kira and her comrades were a party to exactly that kind of 'retribution'.
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