Agents of SHIELD. Season 1 Discussion Thread

I mean at this point you're being crazy specific here. You mentioned Chokatay as an example, and he wasn't destined to become romantically involved with the show's female lead. In an ensemble show like Dollhouse, Boyd was as much a lead as any other character on the show other than Echo. He was a main character and a good guy for two full seasons until he wasn't.

 

It just shows that Big SHIELD Is not much different then post Nazi Hydra

 

According to promotional talk before Voyager was released, Tom Paris was destined to be the leading man romantically attached to the Janeway character nightly.

But some time these ideas just make it past preproduction.

 

Remember, Hand was ready to kill off the whole team because she suspected them of being HYDRA. She's been a morally ambiguous character from the start, in keeping with her comics counterpart. So no, it wasn't the least bit out of character.

 

Roll on Tuesday!

 

Note to Canadian viewers:

CTV's not doing the same thing as ABC tonight after all, it seems. While ABC re-airs "Turn, Turn, Turn", CTV will be running The Goldbergs and Trophy Wife in that timeslot. At 9 PM, they'll be in lockstep with ABC for "Providence".

 

If this were true there would not have been a Centipede. That whole set up would have been an on-book SHIELD research program.

This brings up another thought about "Guest House" where Coulson was apparently brought back to life. Some posters suggested it might have been a Hydra facility. It couldn't be, because there would have been no reason for Centipede to be seeking the information. This had to be some independent research that Fury stumbled on, and that he kept totally off the books because he had suspected that SHIELD was compromised. Really, it seems like now we know even less about Guest House, in that all of our guesses are proving wrong.

 

A reason for Centipede is the current situation. SHIELD/HYDRA has been discovered and is being openly fought , by the USA and remains of SHIELD and no doubt others. One limb gone another emerges.

 

"SHIELD, HYDRA ... two sides of a coin that is no longer currency ..."

So what organization is Baron Von Schpamm running?

 

Centipede is not really an organization, it's just a specific project -- the project to develop supersoldiers using a hybrid of various power-enhancing technologies. The name Centipede comes from the shape of the devices that gave Mike Peterson and others their enhanced powers. What the characters didn't know until now is that it was a HYDRA project all along.

That's how the producers structured the plot to hide the reveal. First, they had the team run afoul of the group behind Mike Peterson's powers. They figured out that Mike was part of a project called Centipede, which was run by some unknown, secretive entities. Then they discovered that some secret group had put an eye implant in Akela Amador and forced her to kill for them. Later, they discovered that the Centipede project and the eye implant project were both part of the same larger conspiracy overseen by Raina, a conspiracy they continued to call "Centipede" because they had no other name for it. Then they found that Raina was answering to an individual she called the Clairvoyant. Finally, they discovered that "the Clairvoyant" was really a SHIELD agent -- that the mastermind of the conspiracy they'd been following all season had been within SHIELD all along. All of this was leading up to the final reveal that the conspiracy was actually HYDRA.

 

An organization to be named later. Following the MCU on Hydra they are into everything so when discovered in the Third Reich or SHIELD another limb can take the lead.

 

While I'm not denying that Centipede was a part of HYDRA all along, I have to wonder if the people involved with Centipede knew that. Remember that at first, Centipede's only contact with the "Clairvoyant", and presumably HYDRA, was Edison Po, a man in prison. Raina even had to go through Po to get further instructions.

It just seems like a lot of hoops to jump through if they already knew what was up.

 

I would imagine that besides SHIELD, that AIM, Centipede, Hammer Industries. ..everyone would be on a Hydra sleeper cell hunt.

 

That just seems like the normal kind of hierarchical structure you'd see in any large organization. The ordinary grunts answer to their boss who answers to a higher boss who answers to a higher boss, on up the ladder. It's the only way a large business or organization can function, by delegating authority and oversight. I mean, Coulson and May might report directly to Fury, but he doesn't have time to give orders to every individual junior agent and trainee. So, for instance, a rank-and-file clerk or security guard at the Academy might answer to a supervisor who answers to Agent Weaver, who answers in turn to, ohh, maybe Maria Hill or Victoria Hand, who answers to Fury, who answers to Pierce and the Council.

HYDRA, as its name and logo make clear, is all about branching out. It's not a single monolithic unit, but an ever-ramifying assortment of plots and cabals and mini-conspiracies. That's what makes it so useful as a recurring comic-book (or TV) antagonist -- however many HYDRA plans the heroes defeat, no matter how many HYDRA agents they bring to justice, there are always more waiting to be unearthed. The Centipede project -- which I suppose we should now call the Deathlok project -- was just one of their many operations. But that doesn't mean they didn't know they were working for HYDRA; it just meant they were working on their own specific project. I'm sure HYDRA compartmentalized information the same way SHIELD did, and Raina and Po surely didn't know everything that Garrett or Pierce knew about HYDRA, but that doesn't necessarily mean they didn't know what organization they were working for.

 

The producers keep saying that all season long they've been setting things up. Do y'all suppose that Franklin Hall and Donnie Gill could come back into play by the end of the season?

 

^I assumed we'll see them in the second season.

 

Think Han Solo turning out to be a Federation operative or Neo working for the machines. Or if we're talking second male leads, Trip Tucker workng for the Suliban, Giles (before season 4 of Buffy) working for the principal or for or Glory or The First Evil, or Angel working for someone evil (not Angelus, but Angel).


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