Agents of SHIELD. Season 1 Discussion Thread

Yes others have commented on it or have theories related to it.

 

If it's supposed to be the berserker staff, they've done a lousy job of dropping any clues for the audience.

Just saw TWS and holy crap if people aren't right. If you can see it, see it.

I don't want to get too specific, but I think it might be possible for the show to spoil some of it without spoiling all of it.

 

Sorry, I thought you meant metaphorically.

I just saw TWS and I agree with The Old Mixer. You absolutely should see it. For two reasons. One, it's a great movie, possibly the best yet. Second, I don't see any way to cabin things. In fact, I'll put it more bluntly, if you don't see The Winter Soldier before Tuesday, you probably should stop watching Agents of SHIELD until you do.

The rest of the post will be in spoilers. The first will just be a quote from earlier in the season, but I kind of want people to tell me if they think it ties into a certain scene in TWS:

Spoiler: AoS Quote

From Seeds:
Coulson: They changed my memories. Who's to say they didn't change more?

And technically not a spoiler at all, but in tags because of the quote:

Spoiler: That quote

Retroactively, that scene is really interesting. He's talking to May with that quote. She responds with "I say. I know you Phil, and I knew you before. You know I'd be the first to go down that road if I thought it led somewhere. Do you believe me at least?"

In fact:

Spoiler: General thoughts

The timing of the season, as frustrating as it was, was perfect. I think the movie made the series retroactively better. Likewise, if my theory about that scene is correct, I think there's an added boost that the viewers of the show got that make the movie even better

Now to go back and read all those spoiler tags.

 

Yeah, that too! It's easily the best of the Phase 2 films...and that may not be saying much considering the competition, but it's said with enthusiasm. This one renews my faith in the franchise.

Even if they manage to play coy with certain details on the show to keep it from spoiling the movie too much, the experience of watching the show should be greatly informed by having seen the film.

 

The first Thor was my personal favorite of the Phase 1 films, but the second completely underwhelmed me. This film brought its A-game.

 

In response to spoiler 1:

Spoiler: 1

I can't see how they'd do it without revealing the HYDRA connection and the complete and total destruction of SHIELD as an organization. Both are huge spoilers. Plus, how can you pass up the opportunity to have Coulson and Fury meet as both dead people now?

Spoiler: 2

I just saw your post in the other thread. It's an idea, although I suspect it's unlikely.

I'm going to try and take a stab at breaking down the timeline. I'm sure this will be discussed and hashed out eventually:

Spoiler: Timeline

Events in both End of the Beginning and The Winter Soldier happen over a period of days. Because of that, there's room to maneuver, but it's hard to be precise.

The first event is the meeting on the Bus. Sitwell is there and leaves to go to the boat.
The raid on the boat is next. It also seems to be during the day North America time (night time in the Indian ocean). This could have been the same day as the attempt to find the random people who may be the Clairvoyant.
The Captain America post-mission events there seem to have a little more space. I'm not sure on the exact timeline, but there's time for both Steve and the SHIELD team to decompress. However, I would suspect that they kill nottheclairvoyant at this point. The reason is they're next instructed that Director Fury is back and will see them at the Triskelion.

Assuming that's true, their events (which are at night) are presumably the night before the attempt to take out Fury (otherwise, I'd imagine they'd hear of the death of Fury). Perhaps the attempt to take out Coulson occur around the same time (in other words, the plane gets redirected to the hub shortly before the fake DC cops try to kill Fury and the Winter Soldier arrives). If that's the case, it would be: Bus gets redirected, attempt on Fury's life, Fury gets shot. Turn, Turn, Turn would presumably take place in the day Steve is attacked in the elevator through to the night with the drone attack with Zola.

I'm also assuming the Bus gets redirected at night in North America. Someone else pointed that out, my memory isn't good enough to confirm. Otherwise, it could be the day he's attacked or even the night he's shot and "killed."

Does that sound about right?

 

One possibility:

Spoiler: AIM

Wasn't AIM an offshoot of HYDRA in the comics? While we assume it died with Killian, we don't know for a fact that Killian was the only one involved in AIM.

As an alternative, more straight forward approach, I would imagine SHIELD tries to learn of Extremis just like everything else.

SHIELD is an international agency, which is why we've seen the world counsel before and why they were able to assert jurisdiction in Italy. Not every country is involved, though. For example, Malta isn't. I'm getting the impression Russia isn't as well. The Hub wasn't crystal clear on that point, though.