Post-STXI novel thoughts

Discussion in 'Trek Literature' started by F. King Daniel, Jul 15, 2009.

  1. F. King Daniel

    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    A few days ago Trekmovie.com announced 4 new post-STXI novels a few days ago as part of Pocket’s 2010 line-up.

    The books are all stand-alone adventures, and authors can do pretty much what they want (yeah, right) as long as everything goes right back the way it started by the last page. So just like the old TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY books, then.

    I’m looking forward to these books, and there were a few things I’d love to see in them (not story ideas), and some other thoughts:

    Historian’s Note
    I eagerly await the Doc Brown Back to the Future II diagram explaining to the masses that this story takes place in an alternate timeline to classic Trek. I don’t want a 5-minutes-in-photoshop, poorly-printed, cut off by the Xerox diagram here, people. It has to be a work of black-and-white art (and better than the Star Trek Online one!)

    Continuity
    The novels are said to be “stand alone”, but I’d love to see them put in some sort of order with a single line each, the same way Spock, Messiah! made it clear it came right after Spock Must Die! by a single line McCoy said. So insignificant would these lines be they could be added by the editor prior to release without too much fuss.

    Content
    The new Star Trek was an action movie. Stuff exploded loudly (brain-damagingly loudly in the cinema I was in), people ran around lots, got into fights, Kirk dangled over the edge of things every 20 minutes or so. Great fun.
    But should the novels follow this template? One of the great things about (all of) Star Trek is that any kind of story can be squeezed into it’s universe – but won’t fans of this movie expect more of the sort of stuff they saw in the movie?

    What I don’t want to see
    Generic TOS novels with different faces on the cover and slightly different backstories for the crew.
    Blatant rehashes of scenes from the film the way Kobayashi Maru did for Enterprise (another Orion slave market rumble, another 9/11 in space etc)
    Pages wasted explaining away minor technical errors in the film that only Bernd Schenider cares about.
    A 366 meter Enterprise. It wouldn’t fit the shuttles or brewery.

    Anyone else?
     
  2. Paris

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    ^Brewery :guffaw:. The water reclamation area definetly looked like one. Nice catch :)
     
  3. Christopher

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    Don't count on it. We want these books to be accessible to audiences who are new to Star Trek, who are only aware of it from the movie. We don't want to scare them off with a lot of continuity porn. To all intents and purposes, we're approaching this as a new, self-contained franchise. Any allusions to Trek Prime will be subtle.

    If you want more technical discussion of the relationship between the timelines, I'll probably have some in my website annotations.

    That would be nice, kind of like how some of the early DS9 novels had passing references to prior novels. But again, I don't think it's likely. We're going to try to keep the books from contradicting each other, but overt cross-references are unlikely.

    Not sure what you're asking here. Do you want more action or less? Anyway, the cool thing about the novel format is that it lets you put in a lot of action while still being able to go into more story and character depth than in a film. I'm trying for a balance between those elements, and I think we all know that Dave Mack is good at balancing intense action and rich characterization.

    In any case, I'm definitely trying to capture a sense of energy and fun, whether through action or through dialogue.

    There's no way the story I'm telling could possibly be told in TOS Prime. The character arcs arise uniquely from the movie characters' personalities, backstories, and experiences. The plot is informed by the state of the Federation in the wake of the movie. There are events in the story that could only happen with the Enterprise design seen in the film (in particular, a couple of things depend on the bridge having an actual window in front).


    Aw, nuts! (Hastily rethinks the scene where Kirk skydives from orbit into an Orion woman's bedroom...) ;)

    Any attempt to do anything like this would be promptly and decisively shot down by Margaret and Bad Robot. We're not rationalizing the film or making excuses for its differences from Trek Prime. We're taking it at face value and telling stories in its world. That said, I do hope to clarify a few things, but very subtly, just the odd sentence here and there, done in a way that doesn't distract from anything and that doesn't come off as apologist.


    We're aware the new ship is quite large. But really, how many novels have ever actually stated the dimensions of the Enterprise? Technical minutiae like that are rarely plot-relevant.

    (And Paris, the engineering scenes were actually filmed in a Budweiser brewery in California. That's no joke.)
     
  4. William Leisner

    William Leisner Scribbler Rear Admiral

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    I'm looking forward to the nuTrek novel Peter David pitched at the Shore Leave STXI Smackdown, about the redshirt on Delta Vega with the orange cones...
     
  5. Therin of Andor

    Therin of Andor Admiral Moderator

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    You'll have to read it aloud.
     
  6. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

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    ^For the record, I am racking my brain trying to figure out how to do lens flares in print... ;)
     
  7. Lonemagpie

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    "Kirk glanced round at Spock, who was momentarily silhouetted by the glint reflecting off his console. The flash of light left a purple imprint on Kirk's retina, and he blinked it away."
     
  8. David Mack

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    ^ McIntee for the win, everybody.
     
  9. Lonemagpie

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    I think the line up there should appear in all JJ-verse books in perpetuity. Possibly varied as to who's being looked at.

    Anyway, it's Mack for the win- I doubt I could have created something like Vanguard or Destiny...
     
  10. JD

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    Huh, I didn't know that. It does explain quite it's appearance though. I know alot of people didn't like the more industrial ship interiors, but I thought that stuff was actually pretty cool.
     
  11. Desert Kris

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    *blinks*
    I didn't realize David McIntee was here, too. Neat!

    Is there any information about if the STXI-based books will be in pocket sized or trade paper back? I was really put off by the STXI novelization being printed in trade paperback, times are tough and I don't have the finances for that. I'll feel better if they're planning to reprint the novelization, I want to buy it, and the same goes for this new wave of Trek fiction. The TNG movies set a bad precedent, with no pocket paperback editions of First Contact, Insurrection, and Nemesis. Not happy about that.

    The only thing I'll feel sad about is if they develop things differently from the speculative notation I've made for where I think things might go (which I will not elaborate on, no worries).
     
  12. Thrawn

    Thrawn Rear Admiral Premium Member

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    ^ No plans so far to reprint the novelization. But, the four new books will be MMPBs.
     
  13. Christopher

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    I had the impression that I might've been told they were trade at some point, but either that plan changed or I'm just remembering wrong, since they're apparently MMPBs. Maybe they were thinking of doing it in trade when there was just one or two, but when they decided to do four in a row, that made it something that had to be put into the monthly MMPB line rather than the roughly-four-per-year TPB line.


    Well, any developments in the status quo are for the movies to portray. Our job is to tell standalone tales that put the toys back in the box at the end.
     
  14. trampledamage

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    Looking forward to it! :techman:
     
  15. Mysterion

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    So does this mean that nuTrek books won't have any stygian darkness?
     
  16. Deranged Nasat

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    :lol:. Mack's book better have stygian darkness, or he's losing his touch...;)
     
  17. AN_D_K

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    [LEFT]What you have to do is
    [RIGHT]place text around the two pages
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    so you have to
    [RIGHT]keep moving your head
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    to get a blur
    [RIGHT]and the feel
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    of nuTrek
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  18. Lonemagpie

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    Of course there also has to be a hidden R2D2 somewhere.
     
  19. Ayelbourne

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    Actually, that feels more like watching Tennis.
     
  20. F. King Daniel

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