Help! List Alt.Hist Movies!

Discussion in 'TV & Media' started by Australis, Jul 2, 2010.

  1. Australis

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    I was thinking of tracking down some alternate history moves, and thought of a good one... and then it popped right out of my head! Yes, getting old, memory like a... thing... grumble, grumble...

    Anyway, I can't seem to find a good list of alt.hist movies on the Net, so thought I'd come to the Brains Trust here.

    So, what alt.hist movies do you know of?
     
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  3. Australis

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    That's not really alt.hist. Damned funny film though.

    alt.hist is the classic "what if the Nazis invaded the UK?" or "what if Rome never fell?" kind of thing. For a fuller description:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_history
     
  4. McCoy

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    Fatherland was a pretty good political thriller. Germany wins WWII. Movie, though is set about 20 years later.
     
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    Ingloreous Basterds?
     
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    We talking realistic or Watchmen?
     
  7. Kegg

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    Heck, there's two other things to consider:

    1. Artistic license. A lot of movies drastically tweak the events of history to fit whatever narrative they want to tell; some of the changes could be as big as you'd get in an alternate history film. Inglourious Basterds downright revels in this concept.

    2. It's no longer contemporary. There's a lot of films that deal with contemporary hypothetical problems - for example, a nuclear attack on the United States or Britain, real fears when they were made - that would now seem like alternate history movies. Fail Safe, The War Game, that stuff.

    I can't think of a lot of movies that actually consciously set out to be alternate history films; at least not any without fantasy elements (such as Watchmen, Jackson's King Kong, and such.)
     
  8. Australis

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    Kegg raises a couple of points as mentioned on, say Uchronia

    Inglorious Bastards was mentioned as AH
    But, say, 2001 isn't AH because it was originally done as a projection of the future, as is, say, the original 'Time Machine'. 'Fail Safe' is another example - it was a projection of the future. If it was made now, it would be AH. And in a few years, BTTF will be the same.

    There has to be a point of divergence - say, Columbus sinks on his way to the New World, and the fear of sailing off the edge of the world delays further exploration and changes the course of Spanish settlement, say, and they arrive after the Pilgrims. How would the world be now if that happened?

    But the divergence could be waaayyy back in the past - say, Neanderthals migrate to the Americas but modern man doesn't, so when Columbus (or whoever :) ) arrives, there's an entirely different species there. Or even further back, the human species never leaves Africa until after civilisation commences.
     
  9. Australis

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    Bump.

    C'mon, you guys, you must know some more.

    Here's an example - The Final Countdown. It's AH, but also what's defined as a secret history. Things happen where the past is actually changed, but it's so close to what we know as history that we don't know the difference, and it only profoundly affects a few people.

    So, what others can you think of?
     
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    Red Dawn?
     
  11. Australis

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    I'm trying to think if that was set in the past or in the near future.

    Found another one: Jurassic Park, in that it was written in 91 but set in 89, so it comes uner the 'secret history' category, as does a lot of Crichton's stuff.

    Finally remembered the one I meant to track down: A Sound of Thunder. I know the reviews weren't great. Someone told me if I'd seen the relevant episode of Simpsons Treehouse of Horror, then I'm good to go. :D

    Found another one: Timequest. Has Bruce Campbell in a supporting role. A traveller stops JFK from going to Dallas. Haven't watched it yet.

    And for a while I've had a copy of the attempted Time Tunnel reboot, which relied on events having been changed rather than the central characters just turning up and leaving again.

    BTW McCoy, Fatherland was a good mention.

    ETA, in books there are two classic texts, Bring the Jubilee by Ward Moore, and The Man in the High Castle by Phillip K Dick. I've read Jubilee but not Castle.
     
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    The Philadelphia Experiment 2. Nuclear-armed Stealth bomber goes back in time, gets captured by Nazis who use it to win WW2. Not a great movie overall, but worth seeing for Gerrit Graham's remarkable performance(s) as three separate characters.
     
  13. Greg Cox

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    There really aren't a lot of alt. history movies. Hollywood has mostly left that whole subgenre alone, aside from time-travel plot twists that accidentally alter history . . . which isn't quite the same thing.

    True story: a few years back at Tor, we tried to come up a well-known alt. history movie, to explain to a new sales force exactly what "alternate history" is, but discovered that there wasn't one!
     
  14. lennier1

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    Not sure if you count plain old parallel universes as well but here's a short list of examples which might fit the thread's topic:

    Sphere
    Contact
    Zipang (a series but there's a heavily cut movie version)
    Jin-Roh (and the other movies in the same universe)
    Steamboy
    It Happened Here
    Sands Of Oblivion
    Timecop
    C.S.A.: The Confederate States of America
    Premonition
    Timeline
    Time After Time
    Spirit of 76
    Sliding Doors
    Lola Rennt
    Butterfly Effect
    Running Man
    Battle Royale
    Canadian Bacon
    The Abyss
     
  15. Nerys Myk

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    Most movies based on history tend to wind up as alternate histories ;)
     
  16. Nowhere Man

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    Does "Thunderheart" count? It was based on true events, or "Transformers" The Hoover Dam was built to hide Megatron."Loose Change", it presents a 9/11 conspiracy." Medicine Man" it was based on a real story, but never proven, I think."the Hunt for Red October", same situation."JFK" Conspiracy theory.
     
  17. Miss Chicken

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    I could name many alternative yesterday novels but not many movies and the movies I would have named have already been mentioned. The Sound of Thunder is the most obvious one.

    I guess that It's a Wonderful Life" might qualify as it shows what would have happened if George had never been born.

    There are a few novels I wouldn't mind being made into movie (so long as they were well done) such as

    The Man in the High Castle
    Two Hawks from Earth
    The Indians Won
     
  18. Mojochi

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    Dr. Strangelove?
     
  19. Australis

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    Strangelove was like 2001, a future projection which is now in our past.

    Steamboy sounds like a good example, I'll track it down (my local library's pretty good that way. And I do think it has PhilExp2).

    I watched A Sound of Thunder today. I could see what they were getting at, but... o dear o dear o dear o dear o dear o dear.And not quite was I was looking for, which is a fully functioning alternative world. Parallel Earths count. Films 'based on true events', like Thunderheart, don't. I see why you said it, but looking for something on a wider scale. Some of the ones mentioned affect just a small group of individuals, and that type are known as 'secret histories' - in a way they're halfway between the real world and an alt.world. Even Timeline is a secret hsitory, because nothing's really changed in a wider sense.

    I suppose the big holdup with Hollywood big-budget movies of alternate worlds is that so much world-building would have in the opening scenes to explain what's going on, which is move-making death.

    I shall investigate some more examples as listed. Please continue if you think of more.

    Thanks! Good work all! :)
     
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  20. stj

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    In the strict sense, Fatherland and C.S.A. are pretty much it.

    Alternate biographies, where a decision point leads to different lives for the characters include the aforementioned It's a Wonderful Life and Sliding Doors, and more recently, Uncertainty.