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Old June 21 2014, 06:50 PM   #59
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Re: its Star Trek Vs 25th anniversary!

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Posted this in another thread but will repeat here.

I have and have heard many opinions on how this movie could be made better, and a FX makeover would help. Could this movie be given the Star Wars treatment, adding elements not in the original in service of filling out the film?

This movie contrasts sharply with TUC in political feel. TUC is very much a bigger film than just the TOS crew. We see and understand motive power behind Klingon and Federation. TFF SHOULD be even bigger, since Federation, Klingon, AND Romulan governments are involved. But we don't see anything more than a two minute Harve Bennett cameo and a one-liner and a couple of grunts from Korrd to suggest that any of these governments give a rats ass about what is going on.
I agree 100%.

It always seemed like it they were acting like it was a big event but they didn't show us that it really was.

Why wasn't there a Romulan ship sent as well? That would have been better than the money they spent on Sybok's army storming Paradise City (most of which was cut)

Enterprise or the Klingons could have engaged the romulans who wanted to be there first at all costs. Why was it a junior officer sent instead of a battle tested commander (cause the two young actors were working for cheap?)

Why was it the BOP AGAIN? We saw in the original series that the D7s could cloak. (cheaper to film the BOP?)

Why the 3rd rate "actress" to play Dar? (because she was cheap?)

It wanted to pretend it was an epic story while wasting time on idiotic humor and the ship being broken. WTF?

Hire David Warner and give him NOTHING to do?

There was a lot more wrong than the FX and the forced humor.

They promised the audience an action story and gave us none except Sybok vs. the paradise city police? and Kirk vs Sybok's ragtag band.

That's a promise broken.

no proper space battle, no proper hand to hand action and no proper firefights.

Trek doesn't need those things (at least not in 1989) but don't promise and not deliver.

Thanks, Grant!

Had a thought on David Warner. In the finale, in addition to Enterprise and the BoP side by side, have these two centerpiece ships surrounded by the FREAKING FLEETS of Federation, Romulan, and Klingon battle cruisers which had had PLENTY of time to get there. Cut to the officers lounge where in addition to our heroes, Klaa's crew, and the ambassadors, we see the true heads of state in the Federation President, Romulan Emperor (not sure who that would have been), and... wait for it... have David Warner present as Gorkon (but be careful to avoid seeing Warner in both roles on screen at the same time). When Kirk shows respect to Klaa (adding Gorkon at the latter's side), he now acknowledges the need for peace among them. This incident is after all a serious threat to galactic peace, so IMO a valid argument can be made for having the heads of state there, and again IMO it would give the film the larger feel it needs. It would also better set up TUC which immediately threatens that peace with treachery within these same three governments.

Poking holes in this (constructively) is welcome. I love this kind of what-if debate. The first stick in the mud is that the ending as is ties up the rivalry between Kirk and Klaa, but that's disposable anyway. Klaa is no Kirk. At all.
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