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Old June 14 2014, 01:52 AM   #74
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Re: Why women dosen't display their Ranks ?

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I find it hard to think of Chapel as "entry level".
Like I said, she still could have taken an entry-level position. She is a lieutenant in TMP, the same grade as Chekov whom we know was an ensign in TOS.

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She's not, neither was Noel. It's just people grasping to try and win a point.
Nah. Even if Chapel didn't wear stripes she was entitled to, we know that rank insignia were worn on the sleeves of women's TOS uniforms. So it's not comparable to the sleeveless uniforms in ST09/STID in the first place.
She was a Lieutenant in TAS as well. Supposedly she was the CMO in TMP. I'd think as such, Lt. Commander would haven more appropriate.

McCoy's short sleeve tunic lacks rank insignia.
I was basing my assessment on the fact that:

a) Roddenberry stated that Chapel was probably a brevet - a provisional ensign. Alissa Ogowa was an ensign too.
b) We have no evidence that Chapel was an experienced nurse or head nurse initially, and she was not even sure she'd be staying on the ship beyond Exo II. There is no evidence that she completed Starfleet training in TOS or that she worked as a nurse for Korby. In fact her only stated qualifications are that she was a research biologist and Korby describes her as a scientist. The show was written a time when nurses were not required to have much in the way of qualification so stepping in to be a nurse would not be a stretch.
c) She is stated to be promoted to lieutenant at the time of Mudd's Women but this does not mean she was a lieutenant all along. She was a lieutenant when she was a newly qualified doctor. It's not hard to imagine that her qualification would have afforded her a further promotion so brevet (S1) - ensign (S2-3) - Lt(jg) TAS - Lt (TMP) seems like a sensible progression.
d) We have no evidence that Noel is greatly experienced either as as opposed to a specialist in her field. She is quite young, her superior is a Lt-Commander, and Julian Bashir started out as a Lt(jg) on his first assignment. Most likely she was a Lt IMO.
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