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Old February 10 2014, 01:00 PM   #74
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Re: They really should have found a way to get Shatner on one of the m

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So in the Prime Universe, they had the resources to build a Galaxy Class-sized ship on the ground?
In "Parallels", we see a Galaxy-class ship being built on the surface of Mars.
They had warp engines that spat rocket exhaust, even though GR explicitly reiterated that Warp Drive did not run on exhaust propulsion principles and that the E was so big (and so unfit for atmospheric flight) that she spent her entire life--birth to death--in space (and her one blue sky adventure, "Tommorow Is Yeterday," saw her compromised by atmospheric flight she stumbled into)?
So what are the red streaks zooming from the rear of the nacelles in movies II-VI? And the Enterprise NX-01 flying over NYC?
This mega-ship doubles as the frakking SeaView! Hell, they couldn't even leave Sam Kirk Sam Kirk in the final cut, he became Johnny and Jim implicitly an only child. (Lucas-Cambellian monomyth heroes--of which Kirk was never one--only have siblings they open-mouth kiss... and that's a ret-con only because Lucas couldn't be bothered with resolving a real love triangle.)
Underwater ships we've seen before in Trek (Insurrection), as well as ships swimming through giant Space Amoebas and endless other ridiculous stuff. And Scotty even points out "how ridiculous it is to hide a starship at the bottom of the ocean"
Writer "intent" be damned (hence the term fig leaf), these guys remade Trek in their image. I like it but it is more believably an extension of Gold Key comics, Peter Pan story records and Mego playsets than the show that ran on NBC from 1967 to 1969. Spocktimus Prime doesn't change that.
As happened in TMP, TWoK, TNG and ENT. Seriously, have you tried to compare TOS and TMP or WoK? It's like entirely different universes. The ship couldn't look more different in TMP, and then by WoK somehow technology has gone from showers which beam clothing onto the occupant to torpedoes having to be manually loaded. Not to mention, Khan and his followers changing radically in what was supposed to be a direct sequel to an old episode.
Let the turkey cherry-picking begin. I'll start: "It's no dumber than 'Spock's Brain'!"
It's all happened before and will all happen again next iteration of Trek. Just because technical manuals and chronologies and novels gloss over the big changes in direction for Trek doesn't mean they're not there staring you right in the face. Trek's continuity is complete illusion. That someone will suspend disbelief for everything up until the latest round of changes seems rather ridiculous. Of course it's a reboot, but since we pretended the last half dozen were part of a continuous universe, I don't see what has to change now.
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