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Old February 9 2014, 10:40 PM   #64
publiusr
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Re: Bill Nye to debate Creationist tonight at 7 - 2.4 on CNN

I might have had Hugh Ross join with Nye as one is an old-Earther, and another a skeptic to take the "Hit him high and I hit him low approach."

The Kitz.Dover deal wasn't even intel design, but a YEC textbook, and NOVA proved the YECers deception.

I think it is harder for skeptics these days.

In the past it was all about Sunday school, go burn your D&D manuals.

Now I see more YEC'ers electric-universe cranks and cryptid hunters all rubbing off on each other. If the Earth was only 6,000 years old, then a plesiosaur might have survived in Loch Ness, Bigfoot are "Nephilim," and so were the Greek Gods--so its ALL real...Nessie, UFOs (not aliens they're all demons of course )

That's how you get on Coast-To-Coast. The Woo try not to contradict each other too much and accommodate each other's tales if they can--so its all very chummy.

But that isn't how science works. We reveal truth with conflict, peer review--not by accommodation. You don't teach the controversy, you teach what is.

It is just that "what is" can be very depressing. You won't meet passed loved ones, there will likely be no field effect starships, humans didn't ride dinos as on the Flintstones, bigfoot is a myth....bummer!

The universe is older and more majestic, yes, but it seems a less fun place to live.

And even I'm guilty. I keep going to Nextbigfuture hoping to see some breakthrough, something that will give humanity at least a taste of what we see on Saturday morning--even though I should know better.

This is why we need programs like Cosmos to give us new things to hold onto, just in case.

I think the one thing that makes people doubt evolution is the old memory of the warm pond model where something just kind of happens, when what you really see are impact theory, extremophiles and smokers, the alembics of the deep--nature as Hermes Trismegistus. Or to oil men, you might call smokers biological cracking stations of a sort. This more dynamic model is far better than the warm pond which is what Ken thinks Evolution can be reduced to. It's a lot richer than that. And that is cool too.

This is why we need men like Bill Nye, to bring the cool factor back to science.
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