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Old December 24 2013, 06:55 PM   #65
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Re: Would a series set after voyager have been more of a success

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Popular? Certainly. JJ has dumbed Trek down for the masses and turned it into another Star Wars style cash machine, which is wonderful, I suppose.
Are we going to go through this again?

Star Trek has always been an action adventure franchise since the 1960s and also one that made money (did you think that the IDIC was made for the highfalutin things that you keep attributing to Star Trek? It was created to make money!) Ditto with all of the other merchandise too.

The Robert Downey Jr. Sherlock Holmes movies are popular too, and also show the same lack of respect for the original source material. Arthur Conan Doyle's Holmes was a detective with a clockwork intellect, not an action hero. Roddenberry's Kirk was a disciplined, professional Starfleet officer and brilliant tactician, not an impulsive, smug little punk.
One more time for those that didn't get it (or never saw it the first time) :

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TMP) Somewhat cerebral. Mostly a 2001 knockoff. Illia in a ridiculously short skirt.
TWOK) Revenge. Explosions. Getting old. KHAAAAAAAN! A FUCK TON of Pew!Pew!
TSFS) GE-NE-SIS?! Kirk's son killed. Get out! Get out of there! Lots of Pew!Pew!
TVH) They are not the hell your whales. One damn minute, Admiral.
TFF) Three boobed cat stripper. Sha-ka-ree. Lots of Pew!Pew!
TUC) Racism. Cold War. Shakespeare. Lots of Pew!Pew!
GEN) Fantasy land. Duras Sisters. Enterprise go Boom. Lots of Pew!Pew!
FC) BOOM! Sweaty Borg. Sexual healing. Drunks. A METRIC FUCK TON of Pew!Pew!
INS) Face lift. Forced relocation. F. Murray Abraham on a couch. Lots of poorly paced Pew!Pew!
NEM) Dune buggy. Mentally deficient android. Slowly moving doom device. Lots of random Pew!Pew!

I have highlighted two of the most popular pre-JJ Trek movies in the fandom.
Trek was an action franchise from the second movie installment onward. To suggest otherwise is to completely ignore everything beyond The Motion Picture.
Care to repeat the same bullshit about Star Trek again?

As for Sherlock Holmes; you didn't mind all of those movies that were set in the 1940s where Basil Rathbone as Holmes fights Nazis, so why should you mind a set of Holmes movies where Holmes has a bit of an action thing going on? Something had to be done to make the Holmes character stand out more than it used to in movies, and this was it.
You presume quite a bit for someone that doesn't know anything about me. Perhaps you should lighten up a little.

As for the TOS and TNG movies, I can see the validity of the one-liners that you posted, for the most part. I've never seen any of the Rathbone-as-Holmes serials, so I can't offer an opinion about those, one way or the other.
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