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Old December 1 2013, 10:09 PM   #12
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Re: The Motion Picture question..

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I still don't totally understand why the whole V'ger thing couldn't in some way be connected the Borg, but that's another long back and forth thread that's been over-analyzed to death.
There are at least five very straightforward reasons why not.

The first is that the Borg hadn't been written yet when TMP was created, so the writers of TMP had no intention of involving the Borg, by default.

Second, when the Borg were created, there was no effort to connect their origin with V'GER. Neither the origin nor the fate of V'GER has been mentioned in on-screen canon outside of TMP.

Third, if Spock is right that the machine planet is represented in V'GER's memory, then V'GER digitized the machines that modified Voyager 6! Oops! Except that they were machines and probably didn't feel any emotion. Ergo, if it was Borg or a Borg precursor all on one planet, then V'GER would have gotten rid of the Borg.

Fourth, Spock called them machines and not cyborgs.

Fifth, the construction of V'GER depended upon machines being unable to fully decipher the Voyager 6 probe. But full-blown Borg, having the experience of an entire collective of assimilated carbon-based life forms to draw upon, should not have had that fundamental handicap.

There are just too many things that don't jibe and which would require tweaking and qualification, for it to be a natural fit.

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On the question of whether TMP was a good enough start, I was disappointed with TMP when it first came out, and I still am. However, when stacked up against the other Star Trek films, I rank it near the top. This tells me not only that making good Star Trek movies must be a lot harder than I want it to be, but also that probably my expectations at the time were way too high. And that's not to say that TMP is objectively awful, because it isn't. It's not awful, but it has a lot of problems. It also has a lot of good things going for it.
I understand all of what you said and I'm not in any position to argue what you just said, but just to clear things up, I was referring to a Borg/V'Ger connection AFTER Decker 'merged' with V'Ger. At that point the usefulness, if you will, of carbon based units, became clear to V'ger, thus integrating them into their make up so to speak.

Also, I'm well aware that the Borg probably wasn't so much as a passing thought by the powers that be in Star Trek at the time. But that doesn't mean much of anything. Scotty implied to a small degree and if it can be interpreted that way, that Kirk was still alive in the TNG episode "Relics", even though later on in Generations....blah, blah, blah, and you know the rest. The point being is that things can be changed to fit scenarios.

But as I said before, I will not argue with what you typed.
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