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Old November 23 2013, 07:30 AM   #24
The Overlord
Re: Was Janeway a hypocrite in Equinox?

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Just a suggestion, but you might want to distill the salient points of your part 2 and part 3 SF debris vids into a paragraph or 2 if you'd like to start a discussion. I'm not ready to sit through 33 minutes of commentary, especially one that begins with season 2's "Alliances".

As for your question "was she a hypocrite?" I'd say no.

Janeway and her crew were never rescued by a fellow Federation crew with a superior/intact ship at the risk of their own lives. She/her crew never repaid that rescue by stealing their Federation brethren's shield generator and purposely leaving them to the mercy of aliens intent on exacting murderous revenge upon "humans" for heinous crimes committed by Voyager.

Ransom committed the worst crime he could have done in Janeway's eyes.

He sacrificed HER ship & crew not for food or survival but just so he could run away home.

Imagine the fireworks going off if Equinox arrived on Earth "three months later", hailed as heroes when in reality they were the "24th century's version of the Donner party". A group ready to eat their own, NOT so they could survive, but merely so they could get home a little faster.
Janeway helped the Borg defeated Species 8472 which led to the Borg assimilating other species in the DQ and as it turned out in "In The Flesh" 8472 was the lesser of the two evils. So Janeway helped the Borg survive a war the Borg themselves started and then Borg went around destroying more civilizations in the DQ, it seems like Janeway has more blood her hands then Ransom does.
The Borg were not the lesser of the two evils, the 8472 were still worse. They were going to commit xenocide, and had the power to do so. The Borg do not have the power to do so, otherwise they'd have assimilated the Galaxy by now.

If she'd done nothing, the 8472 aliens would've just killed everyone else once they were finished with the Borg and the means to now kill the 8472 would now be gone so they couldn't make the nanite weapon.

The 8472 can make up all the excuses they want, but they were the worse ones who only were forced to the table unwillingly. The Borg are way more stoppable than them.

And of course, if Q had popped up after "Scorpion" and said "You save the Universe from total annihilation, kudos." no one would be complaining.
Except in "In The Flesh" Species 8472 claimed they were acting in self defense and were not planning to destroy all other life in the galaxy.

There is a serve disconnect between Scorpion and In The Flesh and if the events of In The Flesh are correct, Janeway did something worse then Captain Ransom ever did.

So either Species 8472 wasn't interested in killing all other life in the universe, but sent messages saying they were, which would be really stupid, Kes was idiot who misread their messages or Species 8472 were planning on destroying the universe, but were wimps who talked a good game, but when Voyager gave them a bloody nose, they turned into total wimps and changed their story.

None of these options reflect well on the writers, two of them make Janeway look really bad and the third one undermines the tension from the Scorpion.

Imagine if the Daleks give up on killing all other forms of life, after the Doctor managed to kill a few of them, they would not be very threatening or manage to become the iconic villains they are.
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