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Old October 27 2013, 01:30 AM   #389
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Re: Scaling the Excelsior Filming Model

Robert Comsol wrote: View Post
@ Lord Garth

All the TOS corridor and room wall panels had a maximal height or beam of 10 feet. And while we do have a couple of shots in TOS that exposed the full height, the overscan of any 4:3 TV tube set would have cut off some of the overhead areas.

An interesting piece is the briefing room set. The top of the ceiling support beams ended at a height of 2.8 meters. I interpreted this as a hint that 2.8 meters was intended to be the average deck height in the saucer hull.

Great points, Bob. Rewatching TOS, I've been beginning to wonder whether the ceiling structure we see in the briefing room and corridors isn't the same thing that would be covered up by ceiling panels in later eras. Perhaps an overall deck height of nine feet, including the in-between crap, is plausible.

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Regarding the ships scales:

Although I like the bigger scale for the Constitution class (mainly because it enhances the size difference between her and the NX class so it looks more like they made progress), at around 400 metres I think everything would be oversized. The windows would (I think, because I only did rough measurements) be around 1 metre high and the wider ones around 2 metres wide.
Furthermore, wouldn't the shuttlebay be too big for the shuttlebay sets (TOS and the films) we've seen? And I think the bridge (on the TOS ship) had to be shifted back to align the knob on the back of the dome (which I presume is the turboshaft) to the bridge set.
And of course there are the docking ports which would be way too big (aren't they oversized already?).

So, I really would like them to be bigger, but I think they still work better at the lower scale (327 and 344 metres, option C). Also, the small size difference between Constitution and NX could be explained away. It could be that Starfleet wanted mainly faster ships but didn't have the technology to make the ships bigger in addition to that (limitations of the warp drive maybe). This could explain the huge nacelles on the Constitution class. It's built to be the fastest, not the biggest.

And for the Oberth, I would also rather take the 10 ft decks. There has to be some space (for structural members, conduits ...) between the decks.
Generally agreed.

Does anyone know how tall the floor-to-ceiling heights of the TMP/TNG sets were? Scaling them visually against Riker, they look to be around 8 feet tall, which could allow another foot or two between ceilings. (I've scoured the internet a bit but not found very good references with sized scaling.)

Additionally, what is the actual source of the notion that the Enterprise refit is 10 feet in the saucer and 12 feet in the engineering hull? Moreover, why do we think that they're different, when engineering was built adjacent the curved corridor? Is it something to do with the cargo room scene?

Pursuing the nine foot deck height angle a bit...


9 ft/25 px = .36 ft/px
4934 px * .36 = 1776.24 ft = 541.398 meters

TOS Enterprise: (Saucer Decks at 9 feet, Engineering Decks at 11 feet)
9 ft/13 px = .69
1717 * .69 = 1184.73 feet = 361.106 meters

Refit Enterprise: (Saucer Decks at 9 feet, Engineering Decks at 11 feet)
9 ft /27 px = .33 ft/px
3619 px * .33 = 1206.33 ft = 367.69 meters

9 ft/27 px = .33 ft/px
2813 * .33 = 937.67 ft = 285.8 meters

9 ft/13 px = .69 ft/px
1568 px * .69 = 1085.54 ft = 330.87 meters

9 ft/16 px = .5625 ft/px
1263 px * .5625 = 710.44 ft = 216.54 meters

I actually kind of like these sizes... in my head it feels like a pretty good scale. Thoughts?
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