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Old October 25 2013, 09:02 AM   #28
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Re: Episode of the Week: 3x16 "The Offspring"

I've always liked this episode but this is the first time I've seen it since becoming a parent and I recognised so many more nuances on this rewatch and found myself tearing up on more than one occasion. It is one of TNG's finest hours.

Jeyl wrote: View Post
But what really brings this episode down even further than that is this closing line by Data.
Data: I thank you for your sympathy, but she is here. Her presence so enriched my life that I could not allow her to pass into oblivion. So I incorporated her programs back into my own. I have transferred her memories to me.
#@&!#)(*UR%)#!(%$*!)_@(b(##)e*!Uw@$)%&ar!#(*e$_o)! f(@n#_ew$~52!!!!!!!!!!!
I interpreted that scene so differently. I will always believe that my father lives on in my head, and in the heads of other people that loved him. That is because we shared memories, albeit from different perspectives. And if you remember someone, they're not really dead. It's a philosophy that I have taken with me through life, I'm not sure if it comes from my original viewing of this episode.

jimbotron wrote: View Post
This is another top-notch season 3 episode, but the core inconsistencies with The Measure of a Man are pretty glaring. Try watching them back-to-back, it's confusing. We see Picard on both sides of the argument in the same episode. First he calls it an invention, and then he tries to prevent a child from being separated from the parent.

No mention of the first time a cast member directed an episode of Trek? (Trek movies excepted) Frakes broke the barrier, allowing many other Trek actors a chance to direct as well.
I loved that Frakes "cameoed" himself into one of the cutest and funniest scenes of the episode.

Regarding Picard's apparent change of ethos. I don't believe as humans we are static in our beliefs - they aren't set in stone, a little maleable. Off subject, but to explain my point is a situation I recently found myself faced with. I consider myself a socialist (don't confuse "small s socialism with communism please America) and believe that history shows public services provide a better service when owned by the public and recycle their profits back into that service. But I found myself in a position to buy into the Royal Mail flotation here in the UK, and profit from it. I was faced with a dilemma, make a stance based on my principals and watch the sale go through anyway, or buy in, thereby benefiting my family and having a voice within the company. I chose to buy in. My principals haven't changed but I chose the practical option based upon the world we live in. I believe that Picard is also a pragmatist and was giving the opposing arguement to prepare Data for the controversy to come.

Jeyl wrote: View Post
Vulture Capitalist wrote: View Post
Yar's death informed another female character, so it doesn't really count.
Actually it made it worse. We took what was this great moment for a character and all of a sudden decided "Let's just say some Romulan had sex with her, gave birth to an evil Romulan clone of herself and say she died later on." And what did it amount to? Some four and a half episode appearances and that's it. No conclusion to her character at all.
I agree with you here Jeyl. Why would Yar willingly become the concubine of a Romulan?

You never made it clear why you believe that this episode takes place into a different reality than that in A Matter of Perspective. What is so different here that makes you believe that Sela didn't exist previously?
One day soon, man is going to be able to harness incredible energies, energies that could ultimately hurl us to other worlds in... some sort of spaceship.
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