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Old October 13 2013, 03:51 PM   #112
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Re: Khan the most dangerous enemy of the original crew?

grendelsbayne wrote: View Post
Geoff Peterson wrote: View Post
Oh you can, but it serves the film better if you hype up the villain. Make him as bad ass as possible. Being Number One on the FBI's Most Wanted List means more than being Number Ten. Having a Number One NYT Bestseller is better than just appearing on a list of ten. Winning a Gold Medal is better than winning the Bronze. Telling someone they are the love of your life is better than saying you're someone I've dated.

Makes perfect sense if you're trying to get a point across, even if it's hyperbole.
I'm not sure it does automatically serve the film better. Why does the point have to be that he is the worst ever?

How does the film differ at all if he is just generally bad-ass - something already fairly well established by the fight on Qonos? We're not even talking about heroes with a long backstory here - he doesn't even have to up the stakes above a long list of past villains. The only person he has to out bad-ass is Nero, which is, frankly, almost guaranteed.
All that matters is Khan is the baddest badass in the film he's in. The one the audience is currently watching.

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As I said, I wouldn't even have the phone call conversation at all to establish that Khan is dangerous. That was already done with him taking on a squad of Klingons without a scratch. Apparently to these writers, it's not enough to show that he's a badass, they have to have Old Spock say "oh yes, he's legit!"

The thing about Old Prime saying Khan was "the most dangerous" antagonist is that its unintentionally saying "after you deal with Khan, you'll never encounter an enemy as dangerous!". Really though, I kinda hope there is no villain in the next film. That would actually be refreshing for a Star Trek film. Tons of great Trek stories were told without the need to include some villain. THE VOYAGE HOME was the biggest success of the older films, and that not only had no conventional villain but the only phaser used was to lock a door. That's much more ballsy to pull off in a blockbuster, especially today.
Voyage Home was a fish out of water comedy.
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