Thread: The Son'a
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Old October 13 2013, 10:36 AM   #121
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Re: The Son'a

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Determining whether the Baku have sovereignty or not should not be the responsibility of a body which has a vested interest in a 'negative' outcome, legally or morally.
Okay, by that reasoning the determination could not be made by the Baku either. Or the Sona.

Would you like to suggest a neutral third party?
At the very least, it's a decision for the Federation courts. Some kind of arbitration would probably be better. But certainly not one party making and enforcing their own determination without even informing the other.

We only even have Dougherty's word that the mission is even really approved by the Council at all.
We only have Anij's word that the Baku have been on the planet for three centuries.
Fair enough.

I saw no nervousness.

Dougherty's? My take is that he was brought in only after the Council made the decision to proceed, and he would have been assigned by Starfleet Command.
Not saying it's the only interpretation, just that the movie doesn't actually do much to contradict it.

Ensigns of Command. Humans (simplistically) got there first, but this didn't grant them ownership or sovereignty over the planet. As it turns out, the planet was in someone else space.
This is only relevant if the planet actually *was* in someone else's space when the Baku arrived. The movie never says that. Claims of other posters here have yet to be proven.

By this standard, any colony can be uprooted for any reason.
It's important to remember that the Baku were being removed solely to prevent them from being killed by the harvesting of the particles. If the harvesting process wasn't going to kill the Baku, likely no effort would have been made to move them.
It's also important to remember that relocation isn't necessarily as simple and unintrusive as Dougherty or maybe even the Fed. Council may think. What if the Baku actually had been a primitive society and their plan actually did succeed? A civilization that has enjoyed the anonymity and protection of the natural barrier of the Briar patch, now suddenly finds itself in open space surrounded by various hostile alien empires and all manner of potential hazards, without any idea that anything has changed. Hell, looking at Space Seed v. WoK, the Federation can't even guarantee that whatever perfectly safe and familiar planet they relocate these people to won't actually wind up turning against them.

And it's also important to remember that the Federation is apparently doing all this for nothing better than a longer lifespan. In an age where lifespans are already at the human maximum. How is that an even remotely good justification?

The point, however, is the Federation's rules are supposed to be a little more fair-minded than 'want, take, have'.
But the Federation also isn't a bunch of pushovers, just because the pretty tree-hugging white people are all soft and defenseless, doesn't mean that the Federation now has to back off.

If might doesn't make right, can't the same thing be said about being weak.
Of course being weak doesn't make someone right. Being right makes someone right. The evidence offered by the film makes the baku more in the right than the federation.

The particles will help billions. Not several hundred in a quaint little village ... billions. The fact is the Federation is ultimately the altruistic party here, the Baku (once Picard told them the truth) were being selfish by not voluntarily leaving. They were earlier being selfish by not tell the surrounding galaxy the truth shortly after arriving on the planet.
The particles will help billions who don't need help. You don't 'need' to live 200 years. And the film never even bothered to answer other important questions, like how long would the collected radiation last, and isn't the Federation actually destroying its only known source in order to collect it? Once everyone's good and hooked on living 200 years, what happens when the supply runs out and there is no planet left to provide more?

And there is no moral imperative to tell the world how great your home is. And certainly not to bend to the will of people who have admitted they intended to kidnap you rather than even attempt a reasonable discussion.
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