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Old October 6 2013, 08:28 AM   #350
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Re: TF: Revelation and Dust by DRGIII Review Thread (Spoilers!)

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This thread takes me back to the days of Rough Beasts of Empire. Oy.

After I finish a novel, I write out my thoughts before going through the thread. My review is below, followed by comments on what some others have said.

Spoilers abound ahead.

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In my experience, books that DRGIII writes which are parts of larger series tend to stand better as part of those series than they do on their own. Both Rough Beasts of Empire and Plagues of Night were like this, and I suspect, in hindsight, Revelation and Dust will as well.

So, after finishing all of The Fall novels, I will probably revisit RaD and reevaluate.

Until then:

Very good, 4 stars out of 5.

A solid read, a definite pageturner. Clearly felt that the novel overall was not intended to be standalone [EDIT: though it can still be enjoyed as such]. The Keev storyline concluded definitively, but none of the others did. I enjoyed the Keev storyline well enough, especially towards the end when its thematic parallels became clearer (especially the tunnel through the mountains as an analogue for the wormhole). [EDIT: wow, just made the connection between the cavern glowing red from Aleira mining and the Tzenkethi wormhole being red; well-played, DRGIII.] Kira’s situation through much of the novel is fascinating; I’ve always felt that the Prophets

The assassination of President Bacco did not feel as disastrous as I would’ve expected. The attempt on her life in Silent Weapons and the death of Piñiero in the same felt much more vivid. I will say that I shall be disappointed if we don’t get a damn good story in the wake of her death; such a character’s loss should reap some benefit for the reader.

I love the new Deep Space Nine starbase. What a bold vision. Would love to see someone take a stab at building a CGI model.

The wormhole’s return was wonderful.

The Fall has been described as taking place over the course of 60 days. That’s pretty clearly a reference to the time until a new president is elected.

Happy with what’s being done with the DS9 characters for the most part, and glad to see the old guard being integrated with the newbies in terms of story focus.

But I still really missed the characters. We were with each for such a short time, and more often than not, we heard what they had done, without seeing it. This absence was especially pointed when Rom and Nog showed up at Quark’s; it would’ve made me so happy to see everyone interacting again. Would’ve felt just like watching a new episode of the show.

This may be one way that DRGIII is not as well-suited to writing Deep Space Nine. His stories are so epic, they lack the time to “come down to earth” to hang out with the characters for extended periods of time. I feel that most other Trek authors are better at finding that balance.

All in all, however, a solid book, one that will merit many rereads.

Now, on to The Crimson Shadow!

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I voted above average, but would have voted for something higher if there was a level between Above Average and Outstanding.
Me too.

I thought it was a great character piece. At first I didn't really dig the Keev parts, but they really grew on me. I could piture the surroundings and the people and the small pay-off at the end was cool. I can't wait for the next four books in this run, and i'm curious how they'll all tie together.
Yeah, that was my perception of the Keev story too. (A little more on that in my reply to Dimesdan below.)



Yeah, I hinted at this in my review, but I definitely felt the same way, both about like-not-love, and page counts. Damn shame.



Yeah, I'm really surprised too. Granted, the metaphor is not as immediately apparent as it was in RtD, but it's still there. I would say, however, that the Keev story parallels more with the end of RtD than it does with RaD. But I'm still digesting.

Dimesdan wrote: View Post

But here's the thing, we're told on here that all the stories can be read independently of each other, even on memory beta it says this:

Star Trek: The Fall is an upcoming five-part Star Trek: The Next Generation, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine and Star Trek: Titan miniseries that will be released between late 2013 and early 2014. The series is set over a sixty day period, but each novel will have a self-contained story. The Typhon Pact is to be the antagonist throughout the series.
So yes, because it can not be read as it's own thing, it needs the other Fall novels to be 100% complete in your, and my opinion makes it, in my opinion fail.

I'm sure once all five novels are released and read, this one will be retroactively improved, but as it stands now, on it's own, independent from all the others, it is lacking and it fails because it can not be enjoyed on it's own in my opinion.
The quote from Memory Beta says that each novel will have a self-contained story. Revelation and Dust did: the Keev story.

It had a beginning, a middle and an end. As a story, it can even be appreciated when removed from the context of Star Trek.

It's pretty clear to me that the Keev story is a allegory for a bunch of major events in the "real Trekverse," some of which we've seen, others of which I'm pretty sure we haven't.

Among other things:
-it addresses how Kira learned that Sisko was safe to spend his life with Kasidy
-it alludes to how the wormhole was restored
-it hints, very very indirectly, at the true nature of the Prophets

The Bacco storyline would seem to be the "more important" of the two. But I bet that, in hindsight, we'll agree that the Keev story was a bigger deal.

In any case, arguing that Revelation and Dust can't stand on its own basically ignores half the book, in my opinion. For the last ten years, Trek novels have almost always split themselves up between telling standalone stories and contributing to the larger multi-novel arcs. Don't see why this one should be held to a different standard.

Basicly, I agree with this entire post.

In a way, The Crimson Shadow did the same thing. One story line that started and ended with another (the entire assination attempt) running through it.
DRGIII, unfortunatly, had to not only do a self-contained story (what happened to Kira) he also had to setup the red line that goes through all these novels. Not just that, for those who missed a few novels, you need to tell some backstory. Hardcore fans don't like that, I can understand, but it's been more then a year since we last visited the entire Typhon Pact story line involving DS9, so for those who haven't read those or didn't re-read, some recap was in order.
Then, since some people are very much into ship/station porn, he also had to take some time to describe the new station.
All in all, a pretty hard job.

In sight, I wished I hadn't voted yet. I voted outstanding, because I felt the characters were spot on, the setup for the rest of the novels was great, the reveals at the end left be wanting for more. But perhaps I should judge The Fall as one book, when I've finished them all.

In the mean time, after they are all released and everything has settled, a re-read is order for me. However, I think I will first read all the Keev parts of the book, and treat that as a single story. Then, after a while, the entire DS9 parts, to again see that as a single story. Perhaps that will put some things in perspective.
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