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Old October 5 2013, 03:27 PM   #87
blssdwlf
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Re: Yesterday's Enterprise: How is the Federation Losing So Badly?

Nob Akimoto wrote: View Post
At this point, you guys are kinda talking in circles without much progress. Can we move on a bit?
Sure. Supposedly Crazie Eddie has added me to his ignore list, but this isn't the first time he's said that so we'll see.


Crazy Eddie wrote: View Post
blssdwlf wrote: View Post
And you still lack any evidence that a significant part of the fleet was NOT involved in those military programs.
Irrelevant: even if all of them were involved in a military program, only the ones who were not also involved in the scientific and exploration programs would have to stand down.

So according to you, how many had to stand down?
The ones that couldn't convert easily from soldier to explorer. Some ships that were primarily built for warfighting, such as dreadnoughts and ships that were kept around more for fighting in wars but were inefficient for hauling cargo and supporting expansion efforts.

Crazy Eddie wrote: View Post
It's perfectly relevant since she wanted to know if Starfleet was affected
No she didn't.
I like how you completely ignore her dialogue.

MILITARY AIDE: Bill, are we talking about mothballing the Starfleet?

Crazy Eddie wrote: View Post
No more than Cartwright was protesting the idea of offering Klingons "safe haven within Federation space." That, too, was a strawman argument.
How is that a strawman argument? What is he misrepresenting?

1. Offer a safe haven for Klingons in Federation space.
2. Klingons would become the alien trash of the galaxy.
3. Strawman Fallacy ???? or Racism/Specism ????

1. Dismantle the fleet
2. We'd be defenseless
3. With an aggressive species with a foothold on our territory
4. Strawman Fallacy ????

CARTWRIGHT: I must protest. To offer the Klingons a safe haven within Federation space is suicide. Klingons would become the alien trash of the galaxy. And if we dismantle the fleet, we'd be defenseless before an aggressive species with a foothold on our territory. The opportunity here is to bring them to their knees. Then we'll be in a far better position to dictate terms.

Crazy Eddie wrote: View Post
It doesn't tell us that at all. Only that certain programs won't be affected. He doesn't say -- and at this point, cannot really know -- if anything else will.
Sure it does. She asked him if the Starfleet is affected and he says only a part of it will not be.

Crazy Eddie wrote: View Post
Unless Colonel West is a separate military program, this does not answer the question.
So you think that Colonel West is not in a separate military program in Starfleet? And again, there's TWOK that said Starfleet was The Military and "Errand of Mercy"'s military forces.

Crazy Eddie wrote: View Post
Crazy Eddie wrote: View Post
So again: what part of Starfleet ISN'T involved in scientific research and exploration?
To answer you, it's the part that isn't necessary to be always available to wage war against the Klingons.
You're just being contrary now.
I'm just answering your question with the evidence we have.

Crazy Eddie wrote: View Post
Again.

Welcome to the ignore list.
You've said something like that before.
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