Thread: The Son'a
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Old September 27 2013, 01:33 AM   #30
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Re: The Son'a

HaventGotALife wrote: View Post
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You know another question that's never asked of the Ba'ku "are you people really going to put your own immortality and principles above the lives of hundreds of billions of people?" Do you know why it wasn't asked, because there is no answer that the Ba'ku could have given that DIDN'T make them look like selfish assholes.
They don't believe in technology. There's your answer. And it's beside the point--they were never asked; the Federation was just going to move them without telling the Ba'ku. Think about that. It's not just moving. It's dying--condemning 600 people to die--that would ordinarily be immortal. They chose the planet before they knew what it would do to them. They weren't selfish.

Was it right to destroy black neighborhoods in order to build the interstate system? Was it right to move the Indians off their reservations, breaking a treaty, in order to build the Transcontinental highway?

This is a Star Trek movie, not Star Wars. The stakes are the Federation, facing extinction, has abandoned all that Picard has fought for through active participation in the culture, and defense of it from the Borg or the Romulans. We are there to seek out new lives and new civilizations. We are to do this peacefull, to build relationships with peoples of the universe to better understand our place in that universe and to seek out cooperation. That is the driving force of humanity. They do this, and every person who benefits has blood on their hands.

Picard asked an interesting question in this movie: "How many people does it take before it becomes wrong?" So ask yourself that when thinking about this. 1 million people have to die where they wouldn't have before. 10 million people. 1 billion people. Why does the number matter?

And another question, why does killing one of the crew, say Data, more objectionable then if we kill 600 people?

Ru'Afo is cuddly? He kills Admiral Dougherty. He is five minutes from killing Picard and all the members of his parent's community. What needs to happen, are you so enthralled with violence in movies, that you would rather see him be less relatable?

What is Star Trek? Or more importantly, what makes Star Trek unique to other Science Fiction? When are they breaking new ground?

The fact is, Star Trek stories about the complexity of human civilization through the prism of what we would find in space, are where it breaks ground. It imagines, rather brilliantly, what would happen if we got our wish. "Apprenticing for 30 years."

I would like an answer from those that dislike Insurrection about what makes Star Trek unique. Because I think this movie is imaginative, the best of TNG and Trek, and I think it takes risks that other Trek films failed to do. I will elaborate further if you wish, but I am done typing for now.
Again, its not necessarily the concept of the film that is bad, its the execution.

The concept could have made for a good film, but the way it was executed didn't work.

What makes the Ba'ku's claim to the planet better then the Son'a claim to the planet? Why is it wrong for the Son'a to force the Ba'ku off the planet, but okay for the Ba'ku to force the Son'a off the planet? How were the Luddite and pacifist Ba'ku able to force the more aggressive and tech savey Son'a off the planet? After losing the battle with the Ba'ku why didn't the Son'a simply establish a colony on the other side of the planet? How did the Ba'ku banish the Son'a if they had no technology?

Really the more you think about the Ba'ku and the Son'a, the less sense they make.

And here is the biggest question, is the conflict in this movie supposed to be a gray moral dilemma or a simple black and white morality tale, because the movie can't seem to decide that and it makes the message muddled. If its supposed to be a gray situation, the Son'a should have been more sympathetic, if its a simple black and white situation, the Son'a should have been far more evil and not native to the planet at all. As it stands now, the Son'a are just bland and forgettable villains, Ru'afo barely did anything in this movie.
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