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Old September 18 2013, 04:08 PM   #4797
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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C&DfD wrote:
The concern-trolling about the BluRays by the slow ponies who were "appalled" by how Paramount treated its fans was particularly pathetic. "Starfleet is about exploration," they whine. Exploration doesn't mean lack of conflict. Lack of drama. Lack of darkness. Exploration has historically been terrifying and dangerous. Going to the Nazi planet just isn't effective anymore. Draining all of the tension out of Starfleet by making it completely altruistic is boring. It's the PEOPLE, like Pike, that give it altruism and it's people like Marcus that give it villainy. Why this is hard to understand is a mystery to me.
Starfleet doesn't have to be flawless but there doesn't seem to be much of a point when the protagonist Kirk feels that a lot of the rules shouldn't apply to him, when there's such a disconnect between how he and Spock feel about the Prime Directive compared to how the admirals do and when the reasons for Marcus's villainy were so underdeveloped.

C&DfD wrote:
When you spend 33 years in the same universe building upon the same mythology, it's tough to get inspired. You start to lose sight of what worked in the first place, and you need to come at the universe in a different way, which is what the Abrams films did, while still protecting the original universe. Which was for you idiot Trek fans, if you weren't paying attention. Even the boldest idea gets creaky if you aren't allowed to stray from it, and that's what happened with Gene Roddenberry's vision of an evolved future society. Should a 1966 vision be a 1987 vision, or a 1999 vision, or a 2009 vision? Star Trek was broken when those involved weren't allowed to free themselves from that. They all walked away, off to do their own original things, and Trek did what it needed to do: It lay fallow.
That you build off of something doesn't mean you're trapped by it. I really liked that TNG was pretty different from ST and DS9 from both (while Voyager was indeed too TNG extension).

C&DfD wrote:
The scene that every dissenter misinterprets in Into Darkness is NOT a remake of the original scene. In Wrath of Khan, the scene is about an established friendship. In Into Darkness, it's about the beginning of a friendship, the conclusion of an arc in which Spock finally understands friendship in an emotional way so that he doesn't need to quantify it logically.
Obviously the scenes take place in different stages of the characters' lives but it felt unbelievable that they would therefore speak and act so similarly.
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