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Old September 18 2013, 02:44 AM   #21
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Re: Are we forgetting why Spock is a great character?

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Well, Spock(prime) was emotionally "compromised" in ST09 as well. He didn't go off on an illogical emotional rampage.
You mean the much older Spock who has lived his life and knows his actual friends are alive and well in the prime universe from which he came?
Yes, the same Spock that refused to help his dying father.

...and this is the same timeline for Spock(prime), just earlier.

They've completely lost nuSpock.
Lost him from where? This universe is somewhat different from the prime universe. It's like saying "this orange doesn't taste at all like the other apples."
No, not at all.

Why have friend in quotes? Kirk is Spock's friend, or at least they seem to be working toward a friendship in ST09. By STiD some time has passed, and they have become friends. Each offers their own attributes to that friendship, but they are friends. Why do you think Kirk was so upset that Spock filed the Nubira report without telling him? Because he trusted Spock as a friend to let him know. Spock didn't understand Kirk's anger because Spock's idea of friendship was a bit different. That doesn't change that they were friends.
I can understand that Kirk realizes the friendship there because of his mind meld with Spock(prime). But nuSpock has not been friends with Kirk long enough to have established such a strong meaningful bond.

Balls what? Do you mean "bawls"? He cries because in less than a handful of years, he's lost his first home, most of his race, his mother, and nearly lost his friends.

Now he sees the man whom he has drawn closer to, laying in front of him, dying after having sacrificed himself to save the ship. This is his family. Thanks to his meld with Pike, he now knows the pain of fear and confusion one experiences upon death, and it mirrors his own, and in that moment, he just loses the last bit of logical cohesion that kept him in check.
See above.

He's a Vulcan, not a robot. Why is this difficult to understand?
I understand it perfectly.

Flies toward what? The Enterprise was without power and caught in Earth's gravity well. It was plummeting toward the surface. There's no "apparent reason" because it didn't happen the way you say it did.
Correct, my mistake.

So why did Commander Spock lead Khan back to Earth? How is that prudent here? Was there an armada of Star Fleet ships there to assist him?

"Incredible Hulk"? The man was enraged that Khan had killed his friend, his brother in every meaningful sense of the word, a man who turned on him and the crew of the Enterprise, and tried to kill them all. He saw him getting away, and pursued him with intent to end it once and for all.

Again, not a robot, never was.
Never said he was. But he was never an out of control emotional loon either.

Not the Spock we all know and love.
Apparently you know and love a different Spock. In fact, you do know and love a different Spock. One from another timeline where none of the tragedies that befell this Spock had ever happened.
OK, sure.

Nothing in "nu" Trek should have changed the character.
Seriously? You'd see most of humanity die, lose your mother, watch your friend die sacrificing himself to save you, face death yourself only to survive, and watch a madman try to kill your family, and would walk away from it unfazed?
Didn't say unfazed.

Congratulations, you've outSpocked Leonard Nimoy. Go collect your pointed ears.
Thank you. I suppose you say his cameo in this movie was good writing too.
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