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Old September 11 2013, 12:56 AM   #34
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Re: Did TNG's Early Scope Shrink?

Dream wrote: View Post
Yes, lets blame it all on UPN. The writers had nothing to do with VOY's mostly mediocre writing.
Few things are ever so simplistic as to have only one cause, which is why looking for someone to "blame" tends to get in the way of true understanding. There's no denying that the network's wishes were a major limiting factor on both VGR and ENT. If the show didn't retain the best writers, that may well be because the network's restrictions were too frustrating for them. We know that Ron Moore bailed after two episodes because he couldn't deal with the limiting creative climate. We've also heard recently that UPN's demands radically altered what ENT's creators wanted it to be (they basically wanted the whole first season to be like the episode "First Flight," building up gradually to the launch of NX-01, and they didn't want transporters or a Temporal Cold War), so it doesn't seem unlikely that VGR would've been subject to similar restrictions.

There was a time when Gene Roddenberry did TOS which aired on a network, and was able to make it good and memorable. He found a way to work around censors to bring out the better episodes.
But he was also severely restricted by the network in a lot of ways. He pushed the envelope as far as he could, but NBC pushed back. TOS had a lot of formula of its own, like the obligatory fistfights in every episode.

The proper comparison here is to syndicated shows like TNG and DS9. DS9 was able to push the envelope and be daring and experimental, while VGR was constrained to formula. And that's at least partly because the syndicated shows had fewer bosses to answer to.

The VOY writers just shrugged and went along with whatever UPN demanded.
You have no basis for assuming that, since we've never really gotten a detailed behind-the-scenes look at the making of the show (except for Stephen Edward Poe's A Vision of the Future: Star Trek: Voyager, which only covered the first season or two). Indeed, maybe the reason we haven't is because the producers were fighting the network and/or the studio fiercely and it just would make things look too bad if the battles were publicized. We just don't know.

The network idea was a failed idea from the start, depending on a franchise that they themselves didn't want to take risks with. Not taking risks mean it stops being interesting.
So... now you're accepting my premise when before you were rejecting it? I'm confused.
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