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Old September 3 2013, 08:56 PM   #598
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Re: Why do people keep saying Voyager weakened the Borg?

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this is one of those things about Voyager..everyone says oh they beat all these cubes, but they never did. They destroyed one little scout ship, and one other ship because they had assimilated crewmembers inside sabotaging it from the inside.
I never said they were destroying them. I have said they were weakened beyond absurdity that they stopped being threatening.
I disagree with this entirely, I think they were never weakened

Scorpion was an example of doing it right, even Seven by herself was threatening. Yet in this episode and the Gift, you think they'd send a Cube just to see what happened or get the modified nanoprobes. I mean 8472 might just come back and all. They later retconned they wanted Seven to join Voyager, though that never made much sense.
I agree with you here

Infinite Regress... I guess the Borg just are okay with anyone salvaging through their ships and wouldn't send another ship to retrieve/destroy their technology. Wait... didn't they do that in TNG's I Borg? Oh who cares, it's not like anyone would try and use what's there to destroy the Collective or anything.
they talked a lot about the possibility of the Borg comming to retrieve the debris

SEVEN: It was a Borg vessel. There are tetryon particles in the debris consistent with the atmosphere inside a Cube.
CHAKOTAY: Any idea what destroyed it?
SEVEN: We would need to run close range scans of the hull fragments.
KIM: Unless we alter course, we'll get our chance. The debris field's directly ahead.
JANEWAY: Then I suggest we cut a wide berth. Chances are the Borg will send more vessels to investigate. Alter course to avoid the debris. If that's all.

when they realized they had to go to the debris field anyway...
CHAKOTAY: Any sign of Borg vessels?
PARIS: No, sir. We're the first ones here.

they acknowlege the borg might come back for the debris again....
JANEWAY: We're talking about the heart of a Borg cube. I'd rather not take it inside my ship. Can you disable it remotely?
SEVEN: Yes, but I would need several days. The Borg may return by then. I recommend we take the vinculum and leave this region immediately.
JANEWAY: Tuvok, prepare to beam it to Engineering. Erect a level ten forcefield and maintain constant surveillance. The moment it poses a threat, send it back into space. Tom, as soon as it's aboard, get us out of here. Warp nine.
PARIS: Aye, Captain.
JANEWAY: I understand what you're going through, and I want to help you in every way I can, but the safety of this crew is my first responsibility. We haven't had the best of luck with the Borg.

I could post a lot more, but I don't want to take up much more space with yeah, they knew the borg would be coming back and they were working in a hurry

Dark Frontier... yeah they blow up the small ship. I can buy that. That was actually a great sequence and teaser. What I can't buy is not only do they manage to casually board the Cube, despite them knowing they're coming, but they manage to invade the Unicomplex, ferry away Seven right out of the Queen's enclave and get away all without a scratch. I suppose the Queen let them get away again....
did they know they were coming? boarding a borg ship and wandering around isn't new to voyager

Drone... I don't buy at all they'd leave Voyager alone just because One died. They should've been going after Voyager full force even after that. If nothing else to make sure Voyager can't produce something that powerful again. Not to mention since apparently a few stray nanoprobes in the mobile emitter can produce superborg, they would've nabbed the very technological advantage they wanted anyways. Guess they were just too lazy to bother being through.
personally I think this is just you nitpicking. Once the thing they were afte was gone, I don't think they would purposely go out of their way to get voyager

Collective... well how nice of them to leave another depot of technology for anyone to happen upon. It's not like the Borg go out of their way to collect the dead or anything... that was in TNG... oh wait, wasn't Seven also rescued from a disaster by them? Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! Guess the pathogen made them too lazy to follow up on the little things like that.
the borg knew this cube was infected so they disconnected it and left it. if they went after it, it would spread to the rest of the collective.

Seven was rescued because she was a fully functioning drone, she wasn't infected with any pathogen.

Unimatrix Zero... oh boy. Now this is where I can say unequivocally the Borg were dumb. A couple renegade drones on a single Cube? Suuuure... blow it up. That's what we can expect from a race who values efficiency. As efficient as dropping a nuke on New York City because you think their might be a terrorist cell there. To say nothing of the "advanced tactical cube" that Voyager fights without harm... not only that, but they made it shut down for repairs for a few hours. But Voyager didn't weaken the Borg...
I never liked the concept of unimatrix zero, but they did NOT get away unharmed

Then in Endgame they just stopped pretending, turned on Godmode and went a Borg killin! Yeehaw!
lets not forget that in Endgame they had technology from the future
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