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Old September 1 2013, 01:18 PM   #51
Timo
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Re: Resigning from Starfleet

well there 's the red undershirt ( a cadet thing)
Never established. Scotty wore it in the previous movie, and the very much commissioned Lieutenant (Commander!) Valeris kept on wearing it in ST6.

and Spock pointing out that CADETS FREQUENTY REAQ HAVOV ( sic) so it seems that they are cadets. including Saavik
No need to add "including". Or do you wish to imply that Spock, McCoy, Uhura and Sulu were also cadets, as they helped wreck the simulator as well?

We do klnow that Starfleet medical takes 8 years however
No, we don't.

It's possible that Saavik was already an academy graduate who had returned to attend command school, hence her rank.
That would be the real-world take on it, certainly. There are plenty of postgraduate studies to a military career that aims high.

We know that he held the rank of Ensign on his first starship assignment. Apparently he went back to the academy after that
To be accurate, we don't know that his assignment aboard the Republic at Ensign rank was his first. But we have reason to think that it did not take him away from the Academy, because he later says that one Captain Garrovick, known for his command of the Farragut rather than the Republic, was his CO from the day he left the Academy - and we know he was at the Academy at Lieutenant rank, teaching classes.

We can thus either assume that he stayed at the Academy as a postgraduate, under various commanders, or that he graduated and started serving under Garrovick, who in turn jumped from Republic to Academy to Farragut in some not particularly well known sequence. The former seems a lot simpler to me, especially in light of what we know of starship commanders. Why would the prestigious Garrovick choose to become the boss of some shore-bound teachie for a while?

Whether it was just Kirk assigned to shore duty at the academy for a spell or Kirk having returned for some post-graduate coursework himself (command school), we don't have any official evidence to tell us. I like to assume the latter because it plays into explaining the Saavik situation as well.
Here it should be pointed out that Kirk in both universes was very much an undergraduate when taking the Kobayashi Maru test. In the nuMovies, this is explicitly shown; in ST2, it's explicitly said that "Cadet" Kirk defeated the no-win scenario.

This doesn't deviate from the real world, either. Ambitious students can include elements of the postgraduate curriculum into their graduate studies, and Kirk certainly aimed ambitiously at command. Saavik, on the other hand, was seen wearing Sciences colors in ST3; she may well have deferred any command ambitions of hers to a later date, including the relating special courses and tests.

Timo Saloniemi
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