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Old August 26 2013, 12:00 AM   #1036
WarpFactorZ
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Re: Starship Size Argument™ thread

YellowSubmarine wrote: View Post
felt the enormous shockwave from the explosion of 72 experimental torpedoes, make it well into Earth's gravity well in a few minutes (or hours, because unless Sulu also mentions the time, it is also unclear)?
First: there are no shockwaves in space, in the same sense as on Earth (in the atmosphere). Shock waves in space are purely particulate, which means the tiny little pieces of Vengeance that might have hit the Enterprise would have to have been enough to push it. Translation: not likely.

And even if the torpedo onslaught caused the Enterprise to drift in the direction of Earth (totally plausible), it wouldn't have moved it close enough to cause what happened. Additionally, the gravitational field of the Earth doesn't just "turn on" at some distance. It's all gradual, and very weak if you're far away. BAD SCIENCE -> see "The Black Hole".

Second: it all happens in "real time" as we see on the screen. Kirk et al. get beamed back to the ship, the torpedoes explode on the Vengeance (remember, this is a matter of minutes from when they're beamed aboard), and the Enterprise begins to tumble uncontrollably.

gerbil wrote:
If the Enterprise were stationary compared to Earth, there's a good chance it would cease being in freefall and be drawn directly downward.
Not in the time shown on screen. Not by a long shot. You do realize these are very easy things to calculate, so if they had bothered to hire a science consultant (as most sci-fi films do), they could have avoided this nonsense.

FckrSGB wrote:
Put it always amuses me the amount of bullshit science and "speculative fiction" ST fans will buy into,
Again, you don't understand the difference between speculative science fiction and bad science.

Flake wrote:
I bet Einstein would have loved Star Trek Into Darkness
No Einstein here. This is freshman Newtonian physics.

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