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Old August 21 2013, 09:18 PM   #252
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back?

King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: View Post
I guess you missed "Journey to Babel", "Amok Time", "Yesteryear" and the entirety of Star Trek: Enterprise?

Name one full-blooded Vulcan that exemplifies IDIC. Even Sarek shunned his own son for eighteen years. Why? For daring to explore a little of that infinite diversity rather than stay on Vulcan.
Surak. After all, he's the guy who invented the concept.

Sarek didn't shun Spock for wanting to associate with non-Vulcans or go off-planet. He shunned Spock because:

A. Spock refused to follow in Sarek's footsteps in the field of diplomacy.

B. Spock refused to settle for the Vulcan Science Academy. Sarek saw that as Spock rejecting his Vulcan heritage and Vulcan ways.

C. Spock chose Starfleet. Sarek's objections to Starfleet were because sooner or later, Spock would be ordered to kill. Vulcan is a pacifist culture, and has been since the time of Surak. Sarek saw Spock as going against that - not necessarily that he would go nuts and kill for the hell of it, but that he would have to kill, period.

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Bry_Sinclair wrote: View Post
The NuTrek Vulcans contradict themselves, completely forgetting about IDIC.

In the Prime Universe I never got the impression the Spock was shunned...
Huh?

All you have to do is watch Amok Time and Yesteryear to know that what you state simply isn't true.
In Yesteryear, we saw Vulcan children making fun of Spock and insulting him. That's hardly logical behavior, but it can be said that they were children, insufficiently trained as yet in logic (or good manners). The Healer said disparaging things about Spock because Spock had played a prank on him.

In Amok Time, there are several factors involved:

1. Pon-farr is such an embarrassing thing that Vulcans don't like to talk about it with each other, let alone any other people.

2. T'Pring is a selfish, jealous bitch who has to have it All About Her. She and Stonn deserve each other.

And finally, it's silly to accuse Sarek of not embracing IDIC. He married a human woman, didn't he? And not once, but twice (Perrin in TNG).

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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: View Post
I guess you missed "Journey to Babel", "Yesteryear" and the entirety of Star Trek: Enterprise?

Name one full-blooded Vulcan that exemplifies IDIC. Even Sarek shunned his own son for eighteen years. Why? For daring to explore a little of that infinite diversity rather than stay on Vulcan.
Tuvok. He might have been annoyed when the likes of Neelix and the EMH poked him about being so logical, but he accepted and advocated diversity.
Tuvok also mentored younger crewmembers (Kes and Harry). He would have felt comfortable with Seven, since she had a calm, ordered mind and didn't often display excessive emotion.

Greg Cox wrote: View Post
You know, I keep vowing not to get sucked into one of these time sinks again ('cause, deadlines!), but then somebody insists (again) that all "real" fans reject the reboot or suggests that anybody who doesn't is some shallow newbie who doesn't know what Trek is really all about. Or doesn't have the right fannish credentials. Or isn't a fan for the "right" reasons.

If somebody likes or doesn't like the reboot, fine. But don't presume you speak for "the fans," no matter what side of the timeline you fall on!

So let's lay off the "More Trekkie than thou" stuff, please.
Dunno if you're partly referring to me, since you mentioned my using the terms "realSpock", "realKirk", and "realUhura." I used those terms because that's how I differentiate between characters who are the original, authentic ones and the cartoony ones depicted in the nuTrek movies. At no time did I say that the people who like these movies aren't real Star Trek fans. They just happen to like what is, to me, an inferior kind of Star Trek that doesn't feel real or authentic to me.
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