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Old August 18 2013, 08:51 PM   #40
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Re: TOS Botany Lab = "Outdoor" Recreation Area?

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They can all be found at trekcore, the one I'm thinking of is the perspective or elevation view of the round rec room with the caption "recreation room".
I see. But that sketch only shows the "recreation room" with a water sprinkling fountain. You seemed to suggest there was a reference to the Herbarium.
No, sorry for the confusion. My point was that the redress of the round “recreation room” set in “ITITNB” has led to some confusion concerning what the sketch you posted upthread really shows?

Notice only the rectangular right side of the sketch is labeled “Herbarium” directly under that portion of the sketch with a big arrow drawn from only that portion of the sketch down to the word “Herbarium”. And in addition there are several other sketches also labeled “Herbarium” that, once again, only show that rectangular right portion of the two-sided set that MJ originally intended to build. To me, this is clear evidence that only that right side was intended to be the “herbarium”, not the whole two part set, as some seem to think, based evidently, on the redress from “ITITNB”.

In addition, the other sketch I mentioned, and which you linked to above, clearly labels the round room seen in other episodes, as the “Recreation Room”, distinguishing it as a separately purposed facility from the adjoining “herbarium” as seen in the sketch you posted earlier. I think the only reason MJ didn’t label the left round portion of his set sketch as “Recreation Room” is simply because, at this point he was more interested in the details for the right “Herbarium” side, which, unfortunately was never built and they made do with just the redress of the round “Recreation Room” side?

IOW’s, I think the two part set was originally intended as part of the elaborate overall “exotic entertainment center” mentioned in TMoST, and just got whittled down to what we got.

In addition to the "large recreation area" which undoubtedly referred to the set under discussion, TMoST also mentions an "exotic entertainment center" and other things besides, which I take to be interconnected facilities, or at least side by side?
It is my understanding that "exotic entertainment center" referred to the holoroom, we finally saw in TAS.
Agreed, but they are not mutually exclusive.

And yes, this "Herbarium" apparently had the round fountain/planter thingy removed, although it's hard to tell since the camera angles are so tight?
I can't help but to look at the ceiling cross-beams and instantly notice that the fountain/planter doesn't connect there because it's missing
Yes, too bad they didn’t think to move it out of camera range when they filmed the mirror shot over Nimoy’s shoulder in “EoT”, to at least suggest some differences, but oh well. In any event, the tight camera angles in “ITITNB” give us a bit of a fudge factor IMHO.

I suppose since the deleted scene in EoT includes a suggestion that there are two identical round rooms side by side, we could fudge and say one is the rec room and one is the herbarium, thereby salvaging at least the spirit of MJ's intent if not the literal execution?
That was my original idea, too, but the missing fountain-planter of the Herbarium, which is there in the "mirror shots" in both ET and CL, suggests differently.
Yes, but I’m not as literal as you are, and I figure since it’s a deleted scene anyway, it gives us a little more wiggle room? And I’m not aware of any mirror shots in “CL”?

I think to salvage the spirit of MJ we should consider the possibility that the Herbarium circular room from TB instead connects to the living plants botany section featured in "The Man Trap". YMMV.


That’s a possibility, but I tend to think of “TMT” set/facility as the Botany Lab which is primarily for research, as opposed to the Herbarium which is as much for “R/R” as anything else.
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