^Absolutely right. TDK wasn't about Batman and the Joker fighting each other, but about them fighting for the hearts and minds of the people of Gotham. Batman believed the people could embrace justice, while the Joker believed they would always sink into chaos. And the Gothamites -- or specifically "Tiny" Lister -- proved Batman right. That was the pivotal moment in the movie, the moment when Batman won and the Joker lost, even though neither man was actually there for it.