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Old August 2 2013, 09:46 PM   #797
James
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Re: Starship Size Argument™ thread

King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: View Post
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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: View Post

And HERE is Locutus of Bored's crash graphic (I hope you don't mind me uploading it from my HD to photobucket,Locutus, but I couldn't find the original thread)
The graphic you link originally appeared here, but there's a larger version of Locutus' crash map to be found here or here, which shows Vengeance's ~0.8-mile length fitting neatly into the 1.5-mile gap between Alcatraz and the stretch of The Embarcadero between Pier 39 and Fisherman's Wharf where the crashed ship comes ashore.
Thank you! The one I uploaded was the full size one, it seems photobucket shrunk it down. Bizarro.

James wrote: View Post
This and this, before it enters the mouth of the shuttlebay and while it's in the mouth.



In both of these pics, the shuttle is closer to the camera than the Enterprise.


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Here is the Vengeance above the eastern tip of the island and right before it goes for a short swim.




The Vengeance/Alcatraz Island size here seems to match Locutus' map. How do you explain the enourmous shuttlebay they cut to right after this scene? Do you pretend it doesn't exist? And what about fitting the circular corridor stack under the saucer top dome and fitting the bridge in front of deck 2? They fit perfectly into a 725m Enterprise, any smaller and it would be physically impossible.

The Vengeance in this scene is noticable smaller than the one in Locutus' map and the shuttle is right in the mouth of the shuttlebay opening within feet of colliding with the structure so it's definitely not closer to the camera. The enormous shuttlebay is because they like to wing it when it comes to portraying the ship's size, it goes from small to big to small over and over again. The circular shaft thing is unknown, when Kirk and Scotty are running toward engineering they appear to run toward the starboard side of the ship veering around a corner then entering the shaft area. I was looking at old posts on this thread and that scene directly conflicts with the set floorplan you posted a few pages back. Sickbay is somewhere in the saucer on the backside near the neck's connecting point and the transporter room is probably on the opposite side. We can't take this ship literally because there are huge scene holes that make it impossible to know which deck they are on. Like in the ship falling scene, after Kirk and Scotty leave the shaft they enter another curved corrider with a turbolift door behind them. The movie comic book in 2009 showed Kirk in the lounge on the back of the bridge module, with the huge slotted windows. This ship has no consistency what so ever in my opinion, the saucer's center is supposed to have a computer core and this ship doesn't. The shuttlebay is also shorter than it was in 2009, it now has the platform shown in ID where they were looking at the advanced torpedoes.

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