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Old August 1 2013, 01:55 AM   #88
Set Harth
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Re: Dreadnought-Class Production Line (Spoilers?)

Timo wrote: View Post
there is no scene showing any other means of destroying multiple starships.
Missiles are in a lot of scenes.

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And against nine starships, it means plenty of "ships not targeted" that can defend the targeted ships.
Not really. We've seen how well these ships can defend themselves against Nero's missiles, and it isn't anything to write home about. And if no one gets the bright idea to do a suicide run, they don't manage to hurt the Narada at all, so Nero just has to wear them down.

Timo wrote:
Starfleet didn't send Kirk to Klingon space to stop V'Ger
Starfleet doesn't have a mandate to invade Klingon space, and that alone explains why they don't send fleets into Klingon space.

Timo wrote:
Laurentius is probably the strategically obvious place to mount a defense against a threat from that Klingon prison system
When the threat can just warp right past you, setting up shop somewhere along its path is really no defense at all. The three-dimensionality of space makes things even worse.

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That's how goalkeeping works.
By leaving the goal completely undefended?


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Apparently not - it was just hovering there until Kirk fired at it.
Is this the same Kirk that said Nero would not survive the singularity without their assistance? The film was quite clear that the Enterprise only escaped the singularity because of the ejected warp core(s). By what means was the Narada's wreckage supposed to escape?

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nothing of the sort happened to any of the ships we saw being hit by Nero's missiles.
The idea is that if Nero hadn't stopped firing at the Enterprise it would have eventually ended up in a similar condition. One hit did a lot of damage, and not the kind of damage you would talk to a psychiatrist about. The kind that eventually destroys starships.

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Not in the movie we are discussing.
I guess we're agreeing to disagree on that...

Timo wrote:
Sending those messages would be the job of the Truman, obviously - no need for more than one starship to clog the channels.
How do these alleged messages to Nero get through the communication interference caused by the drill?

Timo wrote:
But we also know he was not surprised by the approach of the relief fleet, from dialogue.
We didn't see his reaction to the arrival of the other ships.

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it's still the de facto result.
No. Using red matter wouldn't have left evidence behind, while gaining red matter doesn't somehow make the Narada's other capabilities any less dangerous than they were in the script.
Just walk away, and there will be an end to the horror.

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