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Old July 8 2013, 09:19 PM   #149
Re: Let's Discuss the Romulan Bird of Prey!

Crazy Eddie wrote: View Post
It's a mosaic, not a strategic chart.
Granted. But it's worth pondering that it looks very much like the strategic chart we saw in the TOS episode - it just happens to cover a bit more ground, or perhaps a different part of the RNZ, or from a different viewpoint. We can't assume it to be "abstract art" or to be taking major liberties with directions and distances, as e.g. the ratio of the RNZ thickness to its distance to the Earth outpost triangles or to Romulus (the likely compass-rose centerpiece) is the same as in the map.

There's something to be said for nostalgia, especially when you consider that most of those senators were probably youngsters when Balance of Terror went down. It wouldn't be ancient to them, it would be a reminder of how far they've come in their own lifetimes.
Ah, that's a plausible way to look at it. And yes, we sort of hear in "The Defector" that Romulan leadership revels in its past losses against the Federation, this humiliation and hatred being a driving force in politics.

Actually, "Face of the Enemy" mentions the Federation's border protection grids which are designed to detect cloaked ships.
Quite so - but I thought it worth pointing out that the dialogue does not establish that the grids seal off the RNZ, as often claimed. Instead, they stand a good chance of catching ships that have violated the do-not-cross-the-RNZ rule, after the fact.

What you say about the political nature of the border must be true. What raises eyebrows here is our heroes meeting Romulan ships outside the RNZ every so often - but only shouting at them for implicitly having violated a peace treaty in "The Enemy", while never challenging this casus belli violation in cases like "The Next Phase" or even "Tin Man".

I would imagine those missiles from the Mars Defense Perimeter would actually be pretty effective against a Romulan Warbird.
FWIW, since they were so easily targeted by the Borg, I'd think they could be easily targeted by a Warbird, too. And if they indeed are flying bombs, then hitting them probably stands a good chance of detonating them, even at the supposed lower firepower of the Romulans as opposed to that of the Cube.

Which leads me to speculate that such things have been built chiefly to prevent the likes of the Space Amoeba, the Doomsday Machine or the "One of Our Planets is Missing" cloud from destroying the Sol system. That is, they can demolish opponents that are too stupid to defend themselves but way too resilient to be stopped by mere starships and orbital fortresses...

They do when the ambassador is physically standing there IN the office, openly talking to the guy, asking him things like "What is the position of the Romulan government, ambassador Nonclus?" and "You can't seriously believe that James Kirk assassinated the chancellor of the high council?!"
True enough - goes to show one shouldn't check these things from transcripts but from vidcaps or actual videos. But there the "Romulans have every excuse of having an Ambassador present, even if he carries a secret agenda" rationalization holds.

I was remembering "Blood Oath" when I made the above posts. That's why I had believed that the Romulans had stopped cooperating with the Klingons and went from being a semi-willing subject of the empire to an occupied (and resistant) territory. Klingon governance is apparently harsh enough that rebellions against the empire are not uncommon, even among Klingons.
Then again, it's possible that there never was any sort of an alliance between the Klingons and the Romulans, thus not any sort of falling out or subjugation, either.

Given how secretive the Romulans are, and how secretive the Klingons are revealed to be in TNG where they have been supposed allies for almost a century, it's quite possible that the two go back a long time, allying, fighting, again allying, again fighting, with the UFP none the wiser.

Since later evidence would seem to go against the idea of the "Balance of Terror" Star Empire being just a single isolated star system, but the dialogue there does claim the Romulans are isolated from the rest of the galaxy, I think we do have to assume a completely, three-dimensionally englobing RNZ from the get-go - but that doesn't mean Earth or the UFP would actually control every segment of that RNZ. Unknown to them, the far side of it may actually overlap with Klingon claims and be subject to constant fighting even back in the 22nd century...

As I said, a government in exile. I'd be willing to bet the Romulan Emperor sought asylum on Vulcan after Klingon control of Romulus turned into a war of occupation. If nothing else, that might explain how the Vulcans managed to repair a captured bird of prey that they had otherwise never seen before: maybe those weren't really vulcans?
I agree this is a cool idea. But if Romulans aren't independent players capable of pulling their weight at this point, they can only play the Starfleet side in the cabal to get the war started. Yet given Chang's involvement, somebody must be playing the Klingon side, too, and it can't be Cartwright and the Feds. A subjugated Romulan Star Empire couldn't cast the balance vote needed to get the war going; only an independent one, capable of applying military power or withholding it, could.

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