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Old July 7 2013, 09:23 PM   #72
Re: Genesis Question

Sran wrote: View Post
You're assuming an awful lot here, Timo.
To the contrary, I can't see any way to avoid the conclusions I made.

Would civilians have been given similar instructions?
Civilians knew that "Genesis is a world forbidden!". So they were told that Genesis was (cue dramatic music, Blackadder style) a world that (cue even more dramatic music) was forbidden...

Obviously, the Feds'd not tell the truth about why it was forbidden. This would be obvious to the public, that is! The mere fact of it being forbidden would make it of top interest to the default ambulance chaser and the opportunist trader, and there would be a ready source of additional information for those interested.

From whom? Nobody in the Federation took them seriously unless they were brandishing disruptor rifles.
Why not? They would be telling what Genesis was all about, while the government would either not be telling, or would be blatantly lying. I'd think just about everybody would listen to the Klingons here. (Especially since they do brandish disruptor rifles!)

The Romulans said nothing about Genesis, nor did the Gorn, Tholians, or any other Alpha Quadrant government.
That if anything is a big whopper of an assumption. I'd think all the above governments, and more, would be screaming at the top of their voices about Genesis once it became public enough to be forbidden. What possible reason would they have not to? The UFP was caught red-handed developing powerful weapons, after all.

The Klingon Ambassador appeared at the special session where charges were filed against Kirk and his men for their actions surrounding the loss of Enterprise and was not allowed to extradite Kirk for trial. He was humiliated by Sarek after the latter pointed out that Kruge instigated the situation at Genesis by destroying Grissom and killing David Marcus. Kruge's ship also fired on Enterprise, and Kruge himself assaulted a Federation flag officer.
Which would be a perfect motivation for the Klingons to go public on all aspects of the story. Especially the ones that would be disadvantageous to the Empire; if Klingons held the monopoly to public information on the subject, they could make themselves smell of roses and tar the UFP. Sure, some of their propaganda would go disbelieved, but enough people would be saying things about smoke and fire, and any UFP attempt at clearing their reputation would only worsen the situation.

Kirk's report was definitely leaked by someone, though it's not clear how. Valkris gave the information to Kruge, but where did she get it? Memory Alpha suggests that she undertook the mission to restore her family name, but no details of how she came by the material are given. It would have been interesting had she actually been a spy aboard Enterprise during the Battle of the Mutara Nebula, but there's no evidence to suggest that's what happened.
That's interesting indeed. Was Valkris even a Klingon, biologically or culturally? Many parties would be interested in spying on the UFP, and many of those would be freelancing and selling to the numerous bidders out there. Perhaps some specialize in catching and deciphering Starfleet transmissions, and Valkris was one of those... And Kirk's request of Genesis data was actually one for uploading the data from a distant archive source, interceptable by Valkris.

Of course, the material in the ambassadorial meeting is different from what Kirk got, featuring Kirk himself as a narrator - quite possibly a report sent by Kirk to Starfleet after the Genesis events and intercepted at that point.

The Mutara Nebula seems to be located near Klingon space.
Plus, it's probably located close to Ceti Alpha, given the issues of travel time and isolation-from-rest-of-the-world in the movie. And nobody noticed biblical-scale rearranging of the Ceti Alpha system for decades.

Sure, Mutara might be a more energetic phenomenon, its disappearance less easy to miss in a standard, cursory study of space by long range FTL means (if such even exist). But it might also be a very small and insignificant nebula - after all, it was within a short impulse hop of the Regula star, basically within that star system. There might be the occasional bout of space lightning there, as we saw - but followed by bouts of silence afterwards, and a slightly longer bout would not raise eyebrows even on Vulcan.

If Starfleet was really serious about keeping Genesis under wraps, it's likely they'd have had any such material taken down before it had a chance to become disseminated.
The timescale here appears to be compact indeed. Kirk hasn't even returned home yet before Starfleet already dispatches another ship to Genesis - one curiously undergunned, as if out of fear of political repercussions, yet commanded by a very high-ranking officer in comparison with her apparent size. Mere days later at most, people in bars know about Genesis. Attempts at information containment by Starfleet might have been completely hopeless; they'd be totally late even as the movie began.

Timo Saloniemi
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