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Old July 6 2013, 07:12 PM   #58
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Re: Marines and Combat Personel?

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No, McCoy explicitly said Kirk was also trained to be a diplomat but he's a soldier a majority ("so often") of the time.
Makes little difference: Kirk says "I'm a soldier, not a diplomat" but we have McCoy who says "You're a soldier AND a diplomat." They can't both be right.

She controls the conversation. She's the boss of them and she clearly rebutts his interpretation of the Starfleet's actions. If he was wrong about the military aspect of Starfleet she would've called him out.
What, in your opinion, IS David's interpretation and how do you know?

The alternate/NuTrek universe doesn't have anything to do with TWOK.
Except that Carol Marcus is the same age or slightly older than Kirk and therefore her parentage wouldn't be affected by the Narada incident. We know her father is Admiral Marcus, and we know what he thinks of Starfleet in the alternate timeline. It's hardly unlikely -- given what we saw in TUC -- that his agenda was all that different in the Prime Timeline, especially since he would have been just one of MANY people who felt that way.

Chekov answered before she could react. And since Chekov didn't ignore him and he heard David's military comment...
Chekov didn't respond to his "military" comment either. No one did; Carol cut him off and Chekov politely responded to HER, not to David.

You're implying the lack of a rebuttal makes the statement equivalent to a fact. It's like running up to a soldier and saying "Hey there, baby killer!" and he responds with "Go fuck yourself." You would take that an admission that he IS, in fact, a baby killer?

However it did work on a small scale. We have no reason to believe it wouldn't work on a large scale until they tried it.
The use of protomatter was reason enough, and David evidently knew that already since he never bothered to share that information with Saavik or Carol until the planet's instabilities came to light. Saavik, for her part, already began to suspect something was amiss when the planet's climate was shown to be entirely randomized and unstable; David try to play it off like "Wow, that's pretty cool..."

No, only the one about the Genesis device. His claim that Starfleet was a military was made twice and both times were not disputed by Chekov (Starfleet) or anyone of the scientists present on Regula, including Carol Marcus.
Because the first time his comment was ignored as the ranting of pissed off hothead being a pissed-off hothead. The second time Carol flatly tells him his interpretation is wrong, and again, we don't know what his interpretation IS.

Are any NOAA ships armed with nuclear weapons? Your NOAA comparison, while interesting, lacks actual points to compare with.
That's because we're comparing fiction to the real world. An armed NOAA survey ship would be just as fictional as a starfleet vessel, but it would operate almost exactly the same way.

So if Picard said Starfleet was a military organization you'd find something to discredit him on?
There's nothing to discredit here. Worf thinks of EVERYTHING in military terms, partially because he's a tactical officer, but MOSTLY because he's a Klingon.

Significantly, if Worf ever came out and stated that Starfleet was a military organization I would believe him over Picard; Worf, of all people, would know a military when he sees one.
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