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Old July 6 2013, 07:02 PM   #57
Re: Marines and Combat Personel?

Crazy Eddie wrote: View Post
blssdwlf wrote: View Post
Crazy Eddie wrote: View Post
More to the point, Kirk ALSO has a role as a diplomat and has acted in that capacity half a dozen times. For the same reasons, he isn't literally a diplomat either.
Actually, he explicitly stated he wasn't a diplomat.
And Bones explicitly stated that he WAS, remember?
No, McCoy explicitly said Kirk was also trained to be a diplomat but he's a soldier a majority ("so often") of the time.
MCCOY: Maybe you're a soldier so often that you forget you're also trained to be a diplomat. Why not try a carrot instead of a stick?
An actual diplomat would be Ambassador Fox.

Crazy Eddie wrote: View Post
She's in the middle of a heated argument with twelve other people over the subject of "What are we gonna do about that starship that's coming here to confiscate our life's work for no reason?" That's not exactly the time to make a point-by-point rebuttal of your jackass son's philosophical (and ultimately misplaced) aversion to militarism.
She controls the conversation. She's the boss of them and she clearly rebutts his interpretation of the Starfleet's actions. If he was wrong about the military aspect of Starfleet she would've called him out. Since she does not, his statement still stands.

Crazy Eddie wrote: View Post
She tells him she disagrees with his interpretation of events; she never gets into what his interpretation actually IS. Given what we recently came to find out about Carol Marcus' background, that interpretation is probably something like "Granmpa finally got his wish, Starfleet has become a military, and now we are their pawns."
The alternate/NuTrek universe doesn't have anything to do with TWOK.

Crazy Eddie wrote: View Post
She did ignore him. Which is why DAVID was the one who asked that question, not Carol.
Chekov answered before she could react. And since Chekov didn't ignore him and he heard David's military comment and did not rebutt it there is the 2nd time Starfleet was called military
DAVID: Pin him down, Mother. Who gave the order?
CHEKOV: The order comes from Admiral James T. Kirk.
Crazy Eddie wrote: View Post
And we also know why: because David used protomatter in the Genesis Matrix, a substance which no ethical scientist in the universe would ever risk using on a large OR small scale.
However it did work on a small scale. We have no reason to believe it wouldn't work on a large scale until they tried it.

Crazy Eddie wrote: View Post
Which makes sense, since most of David's assertions are based more on confidence than on actual fact.
No, only the one about the Genesis device. His claim that Starfleet was a military was made twice and both times were not disputed by Chekov (Starfleet) or anyone of the scientists present on Regula, including Carol Marcus.

Crazy Eddie wrote: View Post
The sustained threat of war in TOS and TOS Movies would indicate that Starfleet spent an equal if not greater time deterring the enemy from striking than engaging in science and exploration.
Except deterrence isn't a full-time job. A NOAA vessel armed with nuclear warheads would still act as a nuclear deterrent even if it spends ninety percent of its time mapping the sea floor and surveying population numbers of minke whales.
Are any NOAA ships armed with nuclear weapons? Your NOAA comparison, while interesting, lacks actual points to compare with.

Crazy Eddie wrote: View Post
But food for thought, in "One Little Ship" the scientific assignment had a military reasoning:
WORF: The data collected here could provide Starfleet with the key to creating transwarp corridors through space. It could give us a substantial tactical advantage over the Dominion.
I'm not sure to what extent that is the actual reasoning for the mission as much as Worf being... you know, Worf.
So if Picard said Starfleet was a military organization you'd find something to discredit him on? I see what you did
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