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Old June 30 2013, 07:32 PM   #4430
Franklin
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Ln X wrote: View Post
Star Trek: Into Darkness thus suggests that the “good guys” win when they remember their true values, not when they descend to the level of barbarian, or give in to passing surges of blood-thirst or vengeance.

This subtext represents a very Star Trek-kian principle, and I am happy to see it enunciated in an age of such thoughtless violence. Every other blockbuster movie is about a hero meting revenge for some terrible wrong. It's nice to see a blockbuster, for a change, where the heroes stop short of vengeance, take a breath, and remember who they are.
Lol! Try telling that to Spock when he was chasing Khan wanting nothing more to kill him, if that was not vengeance I don't what is!

There was only one hero in this movie, it was not Kirk and it certainly was not Spock, it was Scotty. He was the only character who made a moral stand and who actually questioned what Starfleet was doing. Plus he resigned his commission on a matter of principle. Kirk though went along with Admiral Marcus' plan of violating Klingon territory just to capture Khan.

I sure hoped Kirk considered the billions of lives who would be affected if a Klingon/Federation war had started due to the Enterprise travelling to Qo'noS. Methinks Kirk wanted to avenge Admiral Pike (who could almost be regarded as a kind of mentor or father figure whom Kirk never had) and to hell with the consequences. So much for the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one. In that regard Kirk is no hero.

As for Spock... If he is that uptight about the rules and so stringent about not violating them, then it is incredible why he didn't really question Admiral Marcus' mission that much. He didn't see the big picture and I don't recall him objecting to this mission, so Spock went along with something of questionable legality and morality.

So really that leaves Scotty. Without him the Enterprise would be destroyed and he's probably the only main character who is a hero, and the only one whom I actually respect.
I think you're reading that into the situation. We honestly don't know if Spock set out to kill Khan. Really. Think about it. If he were really trying to kill him out of vengeance, then why did he try the neck pinch on him? Was he going to kill an unconscious Khan? Khan was trying to kill Spock, however, which may have upped the ante of the fight for Spock, who was fighting for his life. Of course, Spock certainly did get a few extra blows in at the end that were unnecessary.

As far as the behavior of Kirk and Spock goes throughout the movie, to paraphrase Kirk from TVH, we weren't really seeing them at their best. Scotty is definitely the primary hero of the movie (and he resigned his position on the Enterprise, not his commission). But for Kirk and Spock, it was about the journey to their better selves and mutual trust in each other. Spock did have reservations about the goal of the mission and expressed them to Kirk, who finally realized Spock was right and Harrison had to be taken alive to face justice.
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