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Old June 30 2013, 03:46 PM   #4427
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And by "hit the mark", you mean "agree with me", right ?
They make some great observations. Contrast Picard's firm belief in a Starfleet officer's first duty to the truth to Kirk's more lax approach what with failing to report an illegal mission to that planet. Kirk was willing to lie through omission and I think that more than anything speaks magnitudes about this character. Furthermore Kirk wanted Spock to cover up and more interestingly Kirk doesn't seem to really worry about telling porkies or being flippant with Starfleet regulations.

It just made me realise how TNG and DS9 are poles apart from the new Trek films. This ain't really a good or bad thing. But STID principles are really funny in a dark dubious way. For instance it's okay to beat up a prisoner because he's the bad guy, it's okay to violate a sovereign nation's territory to capture a wanted criminal/terrorist because it's the Federation; an upholder of justice and righteousness.

So I can understand why so many people enjoy this film because it, on a subconscious level, stirs up emotions about 9/11 and the war on terror. So kudos to the writers for touching upon those subjects, but they could have taken it one step further and addressed the issues of faulty intelligence, false flag terror attacks and dubious intelligence agencies. Imagine if Khan had been ordered by Section 31 to blow up one of their minor installations or a Starfleet installation, but it's only hinted in this different version of STID so you have no idea who the 'good' guys are.

It would have explored in more depth the principle of 'problem, reaction, solution', something which was only hinted at in one scene with admiral Marcus wanting a war with the Klingons and using Khan's terrorist acts as a means for sending a Starfleet ship into their territory. It was a missed opportunity.

If the writers had had the balls to devise a plot concerning a false flag terror attack and the principle of 'problem, reaction, solution' it would have been Trek's best social commentary in years. STID would have entered DS9 territory and STID would be a worthy rival to DS9's finest episode; Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges.

But instead STID had to go out of its way to ensure Khan was a terrorist and an agent who had gone truly rogue. Also we had to go down the megalomaniac admiral route. If only STID could have explored the possibility of there being something rotten and dark inside of Starfleet, something which cannot be easily detected but Khan's acts of terrorism were say a consequence of this.

I mean what if in this universe the Starfleet we know and love is -- behind the scenes -- potentially becoming a force of tyranny due to the Federation's weak position: a destroyed Vulcan, a weakened Starfleet, enemies who surround the Federation. What if a group inside of Starfleet decide the Prime Directive is not enough to protect the Federation? If STID had done that and sacrificed a little action for this kind of intrigue, for me anyway it would have made for a far more superior film and I could have overlooked any flaws.

It would have been, you know, thought-provoking and it would have enough unrelenting action and pace, plus OTT drama for everyone else.
The review to which I linked a few posts earlier addresses a number of points you've raised. In particular he puts the scene where Kirk (ineffectually) beats on Khan into an interesting context.
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