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Old June 29 2013, 05:57 AM   #53
Dale Sams
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Re: Star Trek morality test - best and worst episodes

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Comfortable slavery is not any less slavery.

of course it is

if your definition of slavery is simply " being under the power of another," then most of us already are anyway. What do you think happens if you don't obey a law that you think is silly or unjust, or don't want to pay a certain tax?

the only issue is whether that power is mostly tolerant, just, and benevolent or not
So, if somebody kidnapped you and locked you in a room for ten years, you wouldn't mind so long as it had enough pillows and they gave you pizza and beer?

The only time a government is justified in exercising power over you is to prevent you from harming somebody else's right to life, liberty and property. It's established in the early seasons that you can't even make a significant trade deal in the GQ without getting approval from the Dominion. You certainly can't criticize the government, or interact with anyone the government doesn't like. On Cardassia, citizens had to carry papers around with them at all times.

You kill a man in the US, it takes an expensive trial just to punish you, and you might even get out in 20 years. You kill a man on a Dominion planet they execute 50 of your friends. You can't even make a comparison.

Maybe those blue guys from Alliances would prefer comfortable imprisonment, but Romulans surely would not.
Nor can YOU! There are several countries you can't trade with without getting government permission. And the ones you can, the government has already given you permission to do so.

Jake criticized the Dominion, on an occupied an enemy alien!

But you're right about one thing, the Dominion doesn't play when it comes to people not playing by the rules.

Didn't German citizens have to carry papers also during WW2? And from the little we've seen, the common Romulan citizen is already fairly oppressed. As I said, they probably wouldn't even notice a change in government. ...isn't there a line from a Who song...?

Again, you can't compare an occupying force such as The Dominion to one such as Cardassians, or Romulans or Nazis...etc...What are the driving forces behind the last three? Power. Founders don't get off on power. They want things controlled, and personally to be left alone and left in The Link.

What's the most dangerous thing about being a citizen in occupied territory? The arbitrariness of an occupying troop, yes? Getting randomly raped or beaten or robbed by a soldier. Jem'hadar don't give a **** about that. Neither do Vorta. As occupiers, Cardassians are a billion times more dangerous.

Now...yes. If you resist. You are ****ed. And your descendants are ****ed.

But yes, as I said earlier, the Romulans might have had there entire population exposed to plague because of the actions earlier in the season...but I'll bet The Breen were going to be sitting pretty if they had won!

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