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Old June 23 2013, 07:24 PM   #82
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Re: Anti-Borg technology and tactics

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1) They don't HAVE any superiors.
That sounds really, really implausible. They have a space station and a starship, both Starfleet issue
They HAVE a space station. The Reliant has been placed at their disposal, but Reliant's commander answers to Starfleet, not Carol Marcus.

And Carol Marcus answers to no one, ESPECIALLY not to Reliant, and is understandably pissed when that situation suddenly changes without explanation.

and they report to Admiral Kirk in at least some capacity.
If by "report to" you mean "Make angry phone calls to your ex boyfriend who also happens to be a high-ranking Admiral in Starfleet."

By the looks of the security arrangements, their research is behind generic Starfleet seals
The PROPOSAL is behind generic seals. The actual research is absent from the computers of both Enterprise AND Reliant. Khan assumed Kirk would have more information because the Admiral would presumably have access to sensitive information like that; it's hardly the first thing Khan has been wrong about.

If anything, I'd think they do a lot more paperwork than the average skunk works that only develops weapons...
Except Genesis isn't a weapon, and the Genesis Team -- unlike Skunkworks -- isn't working under Starfleet's umbrella. Remember Carol's use of words here: "Project Genesis: a Proposal to the Federation."

IOW, it's a purely civilian project. Starfleet assistance is part of the funding she asked for; Starfleet OVERSIGHT was never part of the deal.

With something this big, the standard procedure ITRW would be that Carol would have to give weekly urine samples and reports on who she had sex with
IF she was a member of Starfleet and IF Genesis was a government program. But it isn't. It's a civilian program receiving government funding.

Genesis is the Polywell Fusion Reactor, not the Manhattan Project.

Stage One was evidently completed without any Federation assistance at all
...Except for the entire setup where Carol gets a lab, a team and a planetoid, eventually complete with a cave that must cost the taxpayers a fortune in no-this-is-not-money if it tied down Starfleet's finest for so long.
Stage One was completed in a laboratory before they got ANY of that; Regula-1 and Reliant were an answer to her proposal in funding for Stage Two.

SCE would definitely say "no thanks" if Carol had nothing to show for her progress on Stage One.
Exactly. She'd already completed stage one BEFORE she asked the Federation for funding. Thus Genesis started as a civilian project initiated with the 23rd century equivalent of "private funds."

IOW, they did NOT provide component-by-component reports on Genesis to the Federation because that data didn't belong to the Federation and they had no right to receive it in the first place.
To the contrary, there's no reason to believe Carol had any rights to the research she was conducting.[/quote]
Carol was the ONLY one with the rights to the research, hence the reason she was so pissed off when Chekov told her she was coming to get it. Hence the deleted lines (preserved in the Director's Cut) where she tells him "Genesis is a civilian project under my authority" and later tells him "I have no intention of allowing unauthorized personnel access to our work or materials."

"Unauthorized personnel" in this case means "You." E.g. "Starfleet." E.g. "People who do not work for me and I do not trust."

It would be extremely rarely ITRW that somebody like her would.
Dr. Robert Bussard did it for 30 years. Why would Marcus be any different?

It's not a commercial product she's developing
Yes it is. Again her proposal "When you consider the cosmic problems of population and food supply, the usefulness of this process becomes clear."

Genesis is a terraforming device, not a weapon.
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