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Old June 21 2013, 09:35 AM   #485
Therin of Andor
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Re: Star Trek Into Darkness & The Bechdel Test

Pauln6 wrote: View Post
I think Keenser makes a poor officer because he is basically portrayed as a grease monkey
Aren't you the same Pauln6 who said you'd rather have some female cameos than no female characters at all?

Keenser may be the strong silent type, but he's an extra, not a main or even supporting character. He's also used as comic relief, and is a memorable character, which is more than can be said for lots of other extras playing aliens in ST and movies in general.

and barely utters more than a handful of words
So what? Neither did Marcel Marceau. His only onscreen lines were in... "Silent Movie!"

Deep Roy's interview says: "The silent Keenser was not originally meant to be silent. 'I had dialogue, but they changed that,' explained Roy. 'They said, "It doesn’t look right for this guy to talk because, after all, he’s from another planet. He’s an alien. He doesn’t speak the language." So that’s what happened on the first film. I did have dialogue, but they took it out. J.J. told me why and I said, "Sure, whatever it is, it is." And then it just made sense for him not to speak in the second one, either.'

"Roy explained how he viewed the petite alien. 'Well, Keenser is a smart alien,' he said. 'I try to bring a little bit of comedy into it, but he’s a great thinker. He is a guy…silence is golden, as they say, but he’s well-aware of what’s going on around him. He doesn’t hold grudges against anyone.'"
http://www.trektoday.com/content/201...aying-keenser/

I've stated repeatedly that the issue is equality.
Equality in gender only.

But once that one attribute is achieved, will you also argue for equality in homosexuality, all religions of the world, obese people, redheads, quadriplegics, sight-impaired and Austrians? Where does it end?
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