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Old June 16 2013, 01:17 AM   #261
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Re: Star Trek Into Darkness & The Bechdel Test

JarodRussell wrote: View Post
That's why you have the black girl in miniskirts still acting basically as the receptionist (and love interest), but nothing more substantial.

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Hoshi, the receptionist again.
That you think nuUhura and Hoshi were doing nothing more than "basically acting as receptionists" indicates to me that you're not willing to discuss this from any kind of rational perspective and are just looking to cast aspersions.

Hoshi was a professor teaching xenolinguistics and the preeminent expert in the field on the entire planet, which is why Archer recruited her. She refined and developed the algorithms which allowed for the universal translator to work so smoothly later. She acted as a de facto diplomatic and cultural affairs officer (along with "T'Boob," who you equally dismissed so casually) to advise Archer on how to deal with alien ambassadors and species during first contact situations. She overcame her debilitating fears and remained a key member of the crew throughout the mission and countless dangerous situations, even after returning to Earth and having a chance to change her mind before going on what appeared to be essentially a suicide mission. But no, just a receptionist.

Uhura was fluent in three(?) important enemy alien languages as a cadet, was shown to be able to gather key intelligence on foreign powers like the Klingons by listening to their long range communications (which is how she learned about the Narada showing up), was able to step into the job when the dedicated officer couldn't speak Romulan, went on dangerous away missions to exploding volcanoes and the Klingon homeworld where she tried to resolve the situation through diplomacy at great risk to herself, risked her life to save Captain Kirk's by beaming down to a high-flying, fast-moving garbage scow to try and stun Khan and take him alive. But again, just a receptionist.

I have to ask. What kind of badass receptionists do you work with?

Pauln6 wrote: View Post
Actually, it was Winona's absence FROM THE MOVIE after giving birth that led to that criticism. It was the absence of her as a discernible influence compared to her dead husband i.e. the lack of respect to her as a character.
Kirk's whole motivation in the film, and what made him different from his PrimeVerse counterpart, was that he had no strong parental figures in his daily life until Pike came along and pointed him on the right path, which is why he risked his life, fought authority, wandered about aimlessly in his home town without a clear goal, and always felt that he was living in his father's shadow. Mom was probably distraught from the death of her husband and buried herself in her work and was always off on deep space assignments for Starfleet. The uncle Kirk stayed with while she was gone was an abusive asshole. His father was dead. This made nuKirk even more rebellious, carefree, and risk-taking than PrimeKirk.

What you're asking for here is for them to dramatically alter the entire motivation and narrative structure of nuKirk's early life in order to better serve a less than secondary character who we knew little about even in the original universe. You're so concerned about respecting c-level fictional character's equal time that you're willing to sacrifice the entire driving force of the chief protagonist's early life and dramatically alter events in order to do it. That's not putting the writing first. That's filling out a spreadsheet to make sure everyone gets a fairer distribution of time onscreen; how it affects the story be damned.
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