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Old June 14 2013, 04:19 PM   #150
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Re: J.J. Abrams enters The Twilight Zone

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In the Abrams version, Kirk programmed in a no-win scenario for the opponent. Since the original Kirk doesn't believe in the no-win scenario, the distinct implication is that is not what the original Kirk did. The difference does show a difference in the Kirks' characters, and it is a difference that reflects badly on the new version.
That's not what not believing in the no-win scenario means. It doesn't mean that you always deliberately give your enemy an out, due to some misguided sense of fair play. It means you believe that in real life you always have a chance, if only you can find it in time.

Did you have a problem with Kirk Prime's ethics, when he lowered the Reliant's shields with the prefix code and fired on her? Or, do you think that Kirk fired on an unshielded ship only because he knew he had weakened phasers?
If Khan had just been a little bit smarter, he'd have changed the codes. He had his possible out. In practice of course, the oversight by a highly inexperienced albeit brilliant commander was Kirk's possible out. He was the one who was losing.
Yes, indeed.

And, Spock and the other instructors could have discovered Kirk's tampering with the simulation and removed it. They even had fair warning during the simulation when the power cycled. As puppets of the instructors, the simulated Klingons weren't the actual adversary; the instructors were.

If you want to get philosophical about it, in practical computers, nothing is absolutely certain. For starters, no practical computer can be perfectly isolated from unpredictable environmental influences. This was a problem still not solved in the 24th century Prime Universe. How many times did the holodeck get messed up by some unexpected radiation surge or whatever? The whole computer even reproduced in one episode, contrary to program, after the Ent-D weathered "an unexpected magnascopic storm in the Mekorda Sector". A reliability of 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% (that's 47 nines) is still not 100%. Kirk could not be certain, in the mathematical and theoretical sense, that his tempering would be effective, even if it went undetected.

Restoring a sense of realism in the simulation, or downright establishing one in the first place, so that the cadet ship was not automatically gimped and/or the Klingons were not automatically buffed, and so that the simulated Klingons aboard the warbirds were making decisions based on the information realistically at their disposal that would have been realistic for Klingons to make under the circumstances, was no doubt too tall a task for Kirk to accomplish. Given the object of the character test, it's easy to imagine that the scenario test wasn't designed to simulate such realism, even in principle. However, in the age of holodecks, the scenario test would likely occur there, and it might be feasible to accomplish such a thing.
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