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Old June 14 2013, 01:52 AM   #19
Captain Clark Terrell
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Re: Has anyone else noticed the major plot flaw in TWOK?

Christopher wrote: View Post
But that's ridiculous. There are no horizons in space, no obstacles.
No obstacles that we know of. Our working knowledge of space is extremely limited. It's impossible to know what a ship might detect while on approach to another system. Now, one would assume that another solar system in our galaxy would have physical properties comparable with our own, but we don't know for sure.

The Ceti Alpha star system is, by and large, a blank canvas. What we know is that there were at one time at least six planets in the system, but that's about it. There's no mention of nebulae, asteroid fields, or other phenomena that might interfere with starship sensors. But absence of proof is not proof of absence.

Christopher wrote:
How can the supposedly ingenious Khan fail to see through Spock's screamingly obvious "hours could seem like days" code?
Theoretical knowledge and practical experience aren't one and the same. Khan's intelligence may have been superior to that of any other human, but he still didn't have Kirk or Spock's experience. What's more, even genetically enhanced supermen aren't perfect. Khan would certainly have been capable of making a mistake, as he did when he failed to anticipate Kirk using the prefix code to lower Reliant's shields.

Christopher wrote:
Why does Scotty bring his bloody, dying cadet/nephew (depending on the cut) to the bridge instead of sickbay?
People do strange things when they're in shock. Scotty may not have realized what he was doing until he actually stepped onto the bridge with Peter, so traumatized by his nephew's injuries was he.

Christopher wrote:
And how in the seven hells of Mongo can Kirk say he's "never faced death" after losing Gary Mitchell, Edith Keeler, Sam and Aurelan, Miramanee, and his unborn child??????
I don't have a good answer to this one. The only thing I can say is that none of the other situations involved a deliberate self-sacrifice in order to save Kirk. Without knowing precisely what Kirk was thinking after Spock died, it's possible that his comment stemmed from Spock having sacrificed himself to save Kirk and the rest of the Enterprise crew. That didn't happen in the other scenarios.

Gary Mitchell was killed by Kirk on Delta Vega. Sam and Aurelan died due to the neural parasites in "Operation Annihilate!" Edith was hit by a truck. Miramanee died of internal bleeding after being stoned.

In each case, a person died for a reason having to do with Kirk, but none of them chose to sacrifice their lives to save Kirk. As captain (either in title or role after TMP), Kirk had always assumed the responsibility for his crew himself and was willing to die to save the Enterprise. But Spock took on that role in place of Kirk in TWOK, and the knowledge of this combined with the then-reality that he'd lost his best friend forever undoubtedly drove home a new meaning of "facing death" to Kirk. Perhaps that's what he meant.

"He clapped his captain—his friend—on the shoulder. Yes, this man was very much like James Kirk, in all the ways that mattered." --Christopher L. Bennett-- Star Trek: Mere Anarachy, The Darkness Drops Again
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