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Old June 13 2013, 11:58 PM   #149
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Re: Star Trek Into Darkness & The Bechdel Test

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Except the plot then would have been Carol trying to reconnect with her estranged mother, in which case we would have feminists in here complaining about Admiral Marcus abandoning her daughter in favor of her career.
Actually, it was Winona's absence FROM THE MOVIE after giving birth that led to that criticism. It was the absence of her as a discernible influence compared to her dead husband i.e. the lack of respect to her as a character.

2. Amanda is the personification of Spock's emotional human half rather than just his mother.
Of course she is. And yet she IS a woman, whatever else she also represents.
Paired with her husband, they sort of cancel each other out and he's a more prominent character.

Who almost never did anything related to biological research in all of TOS and later became an MD. Also, I think maybe you're being a bit condescending to nurses.
This was in the context of whether the modern version could be made relevant. She has a skill set that could be used. I know both doctors and nurses. I merely point out that as a nurse in a Trek movie there is almost no way that Chapel can come out of McCoy's shadow. As an exobiologist, she has a niche.

And if and when the Enterprise ever has a situation where the Cheif of Security would have a prominent role, this is fertile ground for the characterization of Janice Rand.
I'm not overly obsessed with department heads. I'm happy for Rand to remain a petty officer and Kirk's yeoman. I'd be more annoyed if they made her a senior officer actually. I like her as an everyman like Chief O'Brien.

Hell, Cupcake's probably dead, so it seems like there'd be an opening for the five-year mission.
Apparently rumours of his death may be exaggerated.

And in either movie she would have been a) immediately killed off at the beginning of the firefight and b) had all of her significant lines edited out for brevity. Especially Into Darkness, which couldn't even find time for the Enterprise to shoot back.
I'd still be happy if she appeared. I don't mind them killing her. I'd mind them killing her without first establishing her as a character we care about. Appearing in the first two and dying in the third would be fine. Only appearing and dying in the third film would now annoy me.

I'm sorry, but adding more female redshirts to the Trek body count doesn't seem like progress to me. We were talking about SUBSTANCE, right? It ultimately makes no difference whether Cupcake is a man or a woman because he has no lines and is destined to get killed meaninglessly.
Adding more female redshirts? Did you spot one? Yes, a female in a security role WOULD be progress whether they kill her or not. Oh re above post - I do think the alien in the brig might have been a woman. Admin duty but it's a start.

You can't do anything meaningful with Janice Rand OR Christine Chapel unless you reduce the role of someone else, and with the pace of these movies it's just not gonna work.
Nonsense. There are quite a few supporting male cast members. Just use the women instead. Simples.

What we really need, IMO, are playable female characters in Trek videogames. They can build on the 2013 release with an Into Darkness followup and Add Sulu, Rand, Uhura and Marcus along with Kirk and Spock as being playable.
Agreed but I expect that creating separate female meshes might scale up the costs.

If you want to get more female extras, you're going to have to get more female actresses to apply for the role. Casting directors aren't going to break their backs looking for them.
Lol - I'm willing to bet that they had more than enough actresses auditioning, just not that many role for them to fill.

And while we're at it - more Andorians dammit!
The andorians make better antagonists than crewmembers, IMO.
Lies! But then that's how I feel about the Orions so I can't be too critical. Let's have both as crewmen AND villains.
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