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Old June 13 2013, 02:19 PM   #33
Mario de Monti
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Re: Things Starfleet needs to fix already on its ships.

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The fact that they have thousands of ships but only have 1 or 2 ships guarding there most vital planets! Fix your defences!
Thousands of starships are a fact? How? What we get from the episodes and movies (including the apparent lack of starships near earth) suggests the opposite, a rather small starfleet. And in the 23rd century even more so than in the 24th.

You jokeing right?

The federation spans I believe afew hundred odd light years do you even understand how vast 1 light year is?

As I said in another post think of all the dutys:

VIP transport and escort
Border patrol (must take hundreds or possibly thousands of ships seeing as it borders are huge)
Humanitarian aid and disaster relief.
Diplomatic missions
Anti Piracy and other policing duties
Monitoring and surveying natural phenomenon
Monitoring and spying on local and external threats
Guarding the frontier
Anti Terrorism
Dangerous cargo transport

Starfleet would need at least 1000 ships operational at any given time dureing a complete peroid of peace!

Saying starfleet would have a few dozen ships would be like saying the US navy could do its job with 6 Frigates and a couple of supply tenders

Also look at the registration numbers by DS9 they are up in the 20000's and its established they reuse some registration numbers. So your looking at most likely 1000 Miniumun right up to 25000 maximum.

To me its senisble to assume its around 5000-10000 including support ships.
No, I was in fact not joking. While what you say certainly makes sense when thinking of what a "real" starfleet would or should probably be comprised of, weīre talking about the information given in the Star Trek series/movies. It is of course your choice to conclude that Starfleet does a sloppy job, since earth is left defenseless time and time again. However, for me the logical conclusion is that they just donīt have enough starships to have them guard the core systems.

Since you spoke of "redshirts" in your original post, I assumed you were mostly thinking of the 23rd century. In TOS Kirk speaks of "12 ships". True, that he probably meant just the Enterprise-type, but it doesnīt make sense to assume that there are dozens of other classes of starships with hundreds of vessels, when the Enterprise still hardly ever encounters any - but plenty of Enterprise-type ones.
Also they frequently are performing duties like ferrying cargo/supplies, hosting diplomats or decontaminating planets. There would be no need to use an (exploratory) starship for that, if they had such a vast fleet of other vessels to draw on.
Finally, why would Starfleet go to all the trouble of completely reworking the Enterprise between TOS and TMP, if she was just one of hundreds of starships?

In the 24th century things look a bit different of course. I admit, I hadnīt been thinking of the huge fleets they could suddenly assemble during the latter seasons of DS9 (as compared to TNG!). But then again, in those (DS9) days Starfleet seems much more like a battle or defense fleet, than an exploratory one during the time of TOS and the movies.

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